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Old 10-16-2017, 11:10 PM
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Default Moon Audio Dragon Cables

Has anyone anything to say about Moon Audio Dragon series cables for headphones?

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Old 10-16-2017, 11:50 PM
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I have them on my HD700 and the are a nice upgrade in total sound. Much clearer highs and mids and the bass tightened up too.

Only thing that is not huge but a bit of a downside is they are heavy compared to stock and the WW cables are very lite in comparison on other cans I own.

But if the cans are not portable and are home or office I say they are a great for the money investment upgrade. Bang for the $$$ is IMOP better than the WW cables. BUT think for cost no object then go WW top not etc.

Drew makes supper nice cables, I won a lot of his Dragon cables, even for my Oppo to Ipod etc
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:52 PM
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I have them on my HD700 and the are a nice upgrade in total sound. Much clearer highs and mids and the bass tightened up too.

Only thing that is not huge but a bit of a downside is they are heavy compared to stock and the WW cables are very lite in comparison on other cans I own.

But if the cans are not portable and are home or office I say they are a great for the money investment upgrade. Bang for the $$$ is IMOP better than the WW cables. BUT think for cost no object then go WW top not etc.

Drew makes supper nice cables, I won a lot of his Dragon cables, even for my Oppo to Ipod etc
Thanks for info! I'll give them a try.
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ZMF Auteur Blackwood, Audeze LCD-3, Audeze LCD-2C, Sennheiser HD600, HD650, Fostex TH-X00EB, E-MU Teak

Headphone Amplification: SPL Phonitor 2730, Audeze Deckard, PrimaLuna Dialogue HP, Luxman L-590AX Mark II, Woo Audio WA6

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Old 10-16-2017, 11:57 PM
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I think the blacks from Drew are very similar in nature the silver WW cables. PM me or update us on your results.

PS has many upgrades for terminations you an upgrade and choose too.

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Headphone Rig
Audeze LCD-X Sennheiser hd 800 & Sennheiser hd 700 cans, Woo Audio WA-6SE with Sophia Princess & matched pair of 6GL7/6EM tubes Black Dragon Cable upgrades on the HD700s!

Streaming Dac Gear
includes K03, high-end custom built Toshiba core i7 16 gigs Wireworld Platinum USB cable, Ipad mini & Itouch driving media center 20 for full remote control anywhere on property and even via web to have music on when I get home Also can remote control MX150 via web too.

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VPI Classic II running with a Dynavector 20X2-H MC Phono Cartridge

Also
For living room and outside rear deck is connected to MX150 with (1)Parasound 5250 amp. Oppo 95 , Sony ES777, (2)PPPs,

Speaker system
Builder of custom very high end Dynaudio's 2 Main towers, 1 super tweeter Dynaudio built system above each tower, 4 surrounds all Dynaudio Esoteric drivers 6.5 mids, esoteric dome tweeters, 2 rear surrounds, and a custom 5 speaker 2 7" drivers, 2 3" domes, and a d21 tweeter in the center channel to compliment my 2 300lb custom subs and a JL F212

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I think the blacks from Drew are very similar in nature the silver WW cables. PM me or update us on your results.

PS has many upgrades for terminations you an upgrade and choose too.

best
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Will do thanks.
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Headphones:

ZMF Auteur Blackwood, Audeze LCD-3, Audeze LCD-2C, Sennheiser HD600, HD650, Fostex TH-X00EB, E-MU Teak

Headphone Amplification: SPL Phonitor 2730, Audeze Deckard, PrimaLuna Dialogue HP, Luxman L-590AX Mark II, Woo Audio WA6

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I've got Moon's latest-version Silver and Black Dragons for my HD650. Years ago I had a Sony Qualia 010 (pure unobtanium now) with the original Black Dragon, and I heard his old V1 Silver Dragon w/ HD650 back when it was still the new hot headphone (2004).

I like the Black Dragon a lot. It improves on all aspects of the stock cables without restricting musical flow or significantly changing tonality. My feeling is also that it's definitely better than the old (original) Cardas and Equinox cables from olden head-fi days. It is more neutral than the Zu Mobius, which changed the tonality DRASTICALLY (though frankly it was a very appealing effect). I honestly can't get into the Silver Dragon as much as the Black, even though the latter is pitched as an ideal match for the HD650. And I'm also a guy that generally prefers silver; I currently run ALL solid silver cabling in my 2ch rig.

But also -- I have a local friend that's HUGE into the high-end headphone scene, still keeps up with the latest and greatest, and though he also likes the Dragon cables he feels that there are some slightly better alternatives now, e.g. Norne Audio (no affiliation). I haven't had a Norne cable to try myself, yet.
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I've got Moon's latest-version Silver and Black Dragons for my HD650. Years ago I had a Sony Qualia 010 (pure unobtanium now) with the original Black Dragon, and I heard his old V1 Silver Dragon w/ HD650 back when it was still the new hot headphone (2004).

I like the Black Dragon a lot. It improves on all aspects of the stock cables without restricting musical flow or significantly changing tonality. My feeling is also that it's definitely better than the old (original) Cardas and Equinox cables from olden head-fi days. It is more neutral than the Zu Mobius, which changed the tonality DRASTICALLY (though frankly it was a very appealing effect). I honestly can't get into the Silver Dragon as much as the Black, even though that's supposed to be an ideal match for the HD650. And I'm also a guy that generally prefers silver; I currently run ALL solid silver cabling in my 2ch rig.

But also -- I have a local friend that's HUGE into the high-end headphone scene, still keeps up with the latest and greatest, and though he also likes the Dragon cables he feels that there are some slightly better alternatives now, e.g. Norne Audio (no affiliation). I haven't had a Norne cable to try myself, yet.
Very helpful. Thank you. I am also considering the Black to try first. It is for my HD600s but I have other cans in mind for the near future.
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Headphones:

ZMF Auteur Blackwood, Audeze LCD-3, Audeze LCD-2C, Sennheiser HD600, HD650, Fostex TH-X00EB, E-MU Teak

Headphone Amplification: SPL Phonitor 2730, Audeze Deckard, PrimaLuna Dialogue HP, Luxman L-590AX Mark II, Woo Audio WA6

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Old 10-17-2017, 01:28 AM
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I think Black Dragons are a great cable, and the sweet spot in the Dragon lineup. I’ve used them on all my headphones, even my Shure and Westone IEMs (the IEM cables are lighter). Also service and quality are excellent.
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I think Black Dragons are a great cable, and the sweet spot in the Dragon lineup. I’ve used them on all my headphones, even my Shure and Westone IEMs (the IEM cables are lighter). Also service and quality are excellent.
Sounds like everyone is happy with their Dragons.
Time to bring a Dragon egg home and see what hatches with my HD600.
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Headphones:

ZMF Auteur Blackwood, Audeze LCD-3, Audeze LCD-2C, Sennheiser HD600, HD650, Fostex TH-X00EB, E-MU Teak

Headphone Amplification: SPL Phonitor 2730, Audeze Deckard, PrimaLuna Dialogue HP, Luxman L-590AX Mark II, Woo Audio WA6

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I have the black dragons on my Beyerdynamic T5p and they do a very nice job with them. I had them made with a balanced adapter and connectors for 3.5mm (for Chord Mojo) and balanced for my Centrance Mini-M8 amp, either of which really make business flying more civilized. I also have Silver Dragons for my Shure se535 Ltd. The difference between stock and the Silver on the 535s is like having your thumb over the end of a garden hose (stock) and taking your thumb away (Silver Dragons).
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