AudioAficionado.org  

Go Back   AudioAficionado.org > The Lounge > General Audio Discussion

General Audio Discussion All other Audio Q & A

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-10-2019, 06:58 PM
PHC1 PHC1 is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pa
Posts: 19,524
Default Comparison of two systems

So I thought it would be neat to compare and contrast a case of two systems.

The obvious goal is to reach some pinnacle of audio nirvana. Do we get carried away in our quest? That is the question... You be the judge

Both are obviously my own, one from 2012 and one from today. Worlds apart in price.

Playing the same track of Ramsey Lewis Trio. Track 5, "Air from Suite #3"

Video number 1.
Wilson Alexia speakers, D'Agostino Momentum monos and I believe I was using a Krell S1200 as a preamp at that time. CD Player was the fantastic EAR Acute tubed CDP. Room fully custom built and fully treated to the tune of $20k for just the treatments. All together the system and room were over $150k easily. All Transparent cabling costing as much as an entry level automobile...

https://youtu.be/Ota9Qf9OY14


Video number 2.
Harbeth 30.2. PrimaLuna Dialogue HP. Bryston DBP Pi used as streamer. Roon for streaming instead of CD playback. Cables are a mix of entry level Transparent and some mid line WireWorld IC's.
Room completely untreated.
Cost 1/7 of the other system, under $20k.

https://youtu.be/oKU56PTsyNU


So the question is, do we tend to go overboard with our quest? I know the amount of satisfaction each system brought. Being completely honest, I derive no less satisfaction from system number 2. Ok, it is not as "Cool" but hey, it is some $130k cheaper too!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-10-2019, 07:29 PM
PHC1 PHC1 is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pa
Posts: 19,524
Default

Ok, perhaps not exactly fair to throw a triode running PrimaLuna into a SS comparison.

Here is the Luxman L590AXII going head to head.

D'Agostino/Wilson https://youtu.be/Ota9Qf9OY14

Luxman/Harbeth https://youtu.be/EOSIEiNmVAM
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-10-2019, 07:29 PM
2fastdriving's Avatar
2fastdriving 2fastdriving is online now
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,271
Default

Very cool to compare, however as you are undoubtedly aware, it's difficult to do on a computer listening to youtube!

Still, to me, the wilson system sounds more balanced. Of course I would say that because I have the same speakers

I am fully aware that much of this stuff is "in our head" and that you can derive practically the same enjoyment from a carefully executed system costing a fraction of what the super high end systems are.

I'm just glad to see you are happy, period!
__________________
--Marc

Audio Research Ref6, GS150 / Esoteric K-01X, G-02X, E-03 / Wilson Alexia / Clearaudio Ovation with Universal Tonearm / Lyra Kleos / Transparent Reference Gen5 / PS Audio P10 Power Plant / Shunyata Alpha / HRS S3 Isolation bases / Roon, Tidal Intel NUC / GIK Acoustics panels
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-10-2019, 07:32 PM
2fastdriving's Avatar
2fastdriving 2fastdriving is online now
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,271
Default

ooh i liked the luxman better than the tubes, I can tell you that. Still prefer the wilson setup.
__________________
--Marc

Audio Research Ref6, GS150 / Esoteric K-01X, G-02X, E-03 / Wilson Alexia / Clearaudio Ovation with Universal Tonearm / Lyra Kleos / Transparent Reference Gen5 / PS Audio P10 Power Plant / Shunyata Alpha / HRS S3 Isolation bases / Roon, Tidal Intel NUC / GIK Acoustics panels
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-10-2019, 07:43 PM
PHC1 PHC1 is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pa
Posts: 19,524
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2fastdriving View Post
ooh i liked the luxman better than the tubes, I can tell you that. Still prefer the wilson setup.
Yes, speaking in absolute terms,

It's that effortless dynamic contrast that Wilson is so good at bringing out. Paired with the ultra resolving but oh so smooth and natural sounding D'Agostino, that has tons of current and grip over the speaker and it is tough to beat that combination for sure.

Harbeth can't quite match it and neither can the Luxman pull off that ultra resolving response. What they both lack in the ultimate resolution, together they still create a very enjoyable and musical presentation.

I am fully able to resolve the differences, even on the computer but as I said, I am just as emotionally moved by the Luxman/Harbeth as I was by Wilson/D'Agostino.

The question is still left up for the debate, are these differences worth the heavy premiums. Is that elusive pinnacle so important in chasing? What are your opinions on this?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-10-2019, 08:39 PM
crwilli's Avatar
crwilli crwilli is online now
Racing Hoopties


 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Bluffton SC
Posts: 7,816
Default

There is as many answers to your question as there are audiophiles. We each answer it for ourselves.
__________________
Main room - Sonus Faber Stradivari, JL Audio F113v2 & CR-1 Crossover, McIntosh MC2301 Amplifiers with Stillpoint Ultra SS feet, McIntosh C1100 on Stillpoint Minis, Esoteric K-03X on Stillpoint Minis, Cybershaft Ultimate 2 OP17 on Stillpoint Minis, SilenZio v.2 Audio by -E- Media Server (running ROON), GigaFoil v4, Keces P3 with Ghent PC, 9 M Supra Cat 8+ and 0.65 M Revelation audio ethernet cables.

Other - 2 Stillpoint Apertures, GIK Bass Traps, Vicoustics Waveguide panels, Shunyata Alpha Clock 75 1.5 meter BNC, Shunyata Alpha 1.5 meter USB, WW Gold Eclipse 7 SCs, WW Silver Electra 7 PCs, WW Silver Eclipse ICs; 3 X 20 Amp Power lines, PS Audio P10 & Dectet, 3 Sound Anchor stands, Powerports and numerous Noise Harvesters. Furutech Flex 50, Cable risers, HRS dampeners

TV Room Audio - Panasonic TC-P60GT50, McIntosh MX-121, MC7106, Revel F52 & C32, B&W LM1, Sonos Connect\W4S Remedy\iFI 9V Power, WW & Kimber cables, PS Audio Dectet
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-11-2019, 12:28 AM
rnrmf1971 rnrmf1971 is offline
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: orlando
Posts: 966
Default

I heard the illusion of actual performers in the Wilson/D'agostino versus either of the other two videos and I prefererred the Luxman to the PrimaLuna.
I'd definitely say the Wilson/D'Agostino was worth spending more for. The difference in sound between systems seems wide, to me, based on the sound in the videos.
__________________
Christian

STUFF:Mark Levinson No.52 pre-amp, Bricasti M28 amplifiers, Oppo BDP-205, Pioneer CT-43, Wireworld Platinum Eclipse IC's and speaker cables, Acrolink, Siltech, and Furutech PCs, Shunyata Triton V3 +Typhon w/ Sigma HC power cable, Sony SS-AR1 Speakers
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-11-2019, 12:55 AM
PHC1 PHC1 is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pa
Posts: 19,524
Default

Umm, OK, what about these Sasha's driven by Bryston amps? Could have stopped there but I kept raising the bar to Alexia and D'Agostino. Sorry, not the same track but an enthusiastic level/ dynamic presentation of Rush/Tom Sawyer

https://youtu.be/ZJdDS_QNbc8
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-11-2019, 09:21 AM
GSOphile GSOphile is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: NC
Posts: 269
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2fastdriving View Post
ooh i liked the luxman better than the tubes, I can tell you that. Still prefer the wilson setup.
+1 here
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-11-2019, 09:31 AM
W9TR's Avatar
W9TR W9TR is online now
Senior Member

 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: The Neutral Zone
Posts: 3,328
Default

Serge - it would be interesting to edit these videos and remove all the visual cues - maybe just a black screen with a number on it. Only the audio would be different. Then see what the results are.

Tom
__________________
Main System:
Amati Futura Mains
Amati Homage VOX Center,
Proac Response 1sc Rears,
Three MC2301's for L,C,R
MC 602 for the rears
C 1100, MX 151, MCD 1100, MR 80
Nottingham Dais with Sumiko Palo Santos Presentation
SurfacePro 3, JRiver, WW Starlight Platinum USB, Schiit Yggdrasil, Benchmark DAC3 HGC

MX 151, OppO BDP-95, JVC RS-500 DILA projector, 106" diagonal Stewart Luxus Screenwall Deluxe with Studiotek 130 G3 material.

Lake House:
Ohm F, MC 275V, C2300, MR 77, Rega P3

OnDeck:
McIntosh MAC 4300v
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Audioaficionado.org tested by Norton Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:24 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
ęCopyright 2009-2019 AudioAficionado.org.Privately owned, All Rights Reserved.
Audio Aficionado Sponsors
AudioAficionado Subscriber
AudioAficionado Subscriber
Inspire By Dennis Had
Inspire By Dennis Had
Harmonic Resolution Systems
Harmonic Resolution Systems
Wyred4Sound
Wyred4Sound
Dragonfire Acoustics
Dragonfire Acoustics
GIK Acoustics
GIK Acoustics
Esoteric
Esoteric
AC Infinity
AC Infinity
JL Audio
JL Audio
Acoustic Sciences Corportation
Acoustic Sciences Corportation
Legend Audio & Video
Legend Audio & Video
Audio by E
Audio by E
Canton
Canton
Bryston
Bryston
WireWorld Cables
WireWorld Cables
Stillpoints
Stillpoints
Bricasti Design
Bricasti Design
Furutech
Furutech
Shunyata Research
Shunyata Research
Accuphase
Accuphase