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Old 08-18-2019, 01:37 PM
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^^^ yes. Without without the turntable. I even changed the cartridge, with the same result.

The only thing that I can isolate for the hum is the phono stage output gain. The hum is not present with another preamp. I wonder if there is an impedance issue?
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Old 08-19-2019, 01:13 PM
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Best to contact Dennis. I’m sure he would know what the source is.
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Old 08-20-2019, 04:59 AM
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^^^ yes. Without without the turntable. I even changed the cartridge, with the same result.

The only thing that I can isolate for the hum is the phono stage output gain. The hum is not present with another preamp. I wonder if there is an impedance issue?
https://www.psaudio.com/ps_how/how-to-find-and-fix-hum/
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:13 PM
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^^^ yes. Without without the turntable. I even changed the cartridge, with the same result.



The only thing that I can isolate for the hum is the phono stage output gain. The hum is not present with another preamp. I wonder if there is an impedance issue?


Speaking with Dennis yesterday he mentioned he suspected your hum may be due to proximity of the transformers and their electromagnetic fields. He suggested, while music is playing, pick up phono pre and move around. He suspected the hum will disappear with a shift of a few inches one way or another side to side/front to back. At least that is the way I understood it all.

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Old 08-29-2019, 05:02 PM
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also have some quiet 120Hz buzz that i've been trying to isolate with the new 3.1 ultra preamp. Can really only detect it in very quiet sections of music or between tracks.

It appears to not be a ground loop, tried a cheater plug and a humx adapter. Have tried 2 different rectifier tubes, but both seem to still produce appx the same amount as the "5Y3GT" Sovtek rectifier he supplied with it. I put that in quotes because as I understand it isnt a real 5Y3 since it is indirectly heated.

I'm 100% certain the buzz is coming from the preamp as when I removed it and kept all the other components in the signal path, all is dead quiet. Any other thoughts where I should look? Possibly the 6BX7 buffer? There's about ~12" between components on my shelves. Will try the tip above at physically moving the preamp a little.

Should I look for some different rectifier types? Since the Sovtek appears to have less voltage drop than a regular 5Y3 I'm guessing I'd be safe to look at other tubes without rebiasing or worrying about filter caps? Like 5AR4/GZ34, 5V4, 5W4, or 5Z4? Or am I just barking up the wrong tree here trying to remove this buzz?

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Old 08-30-2019, 03:57 AM
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also have some quiet 120Hz buzz that i've been trying to isolate with the new 3.1 ultra preamp. Can really only detect it in very quiet sections of music or between tracks.

It appears to not be a ground loop, tried a cheater plug and a humx adapter. Have tried 2 different rectifier tubes, but both seem to still produce appx the same amount as the "5Y3GT" Sovtek rectifier he supplied with it. I put that in quotes because as I understand it isnt a real 5Y3 since it is indirectly heated.

I'm 100% certain the buzz is coming from the preamp as when I removed it and kept all the other components in the signal path, all is dead quiet. Any other thoughts where I should look? Possibly the 6BX7 buffer? There's about ~12" between components on my shelves. Will try the tip above at physically moving the preamp a little.

Should I look for some different rectifier types? Since the Sovtek appears to have less voltage drop than a regular 5Y3 I'm guessing I'd be safe to look at other tubes without rebiasing or worrying about filter caps? Like 5AR4/GZ34, 5V4, 5W4, or 5Z4? Or am I just barking up the wrong tree here trying to remove this buzz?
Ask Dennis about rectifiers other than 5Y3's before going there.
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Old 08-30-2019, 09:30 PM
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Anyone have any idea as to what the most powerful amp that Dennis is offering now? Most of his postings are now of lower-powered triode operation amps.
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Old 08-31-2019, 07:26 AM
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Anyone have any idea as to what the most powerful amp that Dennis is offering now? Most of his postings are now of lower-powered triode operation amps.

I'm pretty sure he is still offering PSE's. You may have to e-mail him.
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Old 08-31-2019, 10:27 AM
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also have some quiet 120Hz buzz that i've been trying to isolate with the new 3.1 ultra preamp. Can really only detect it in very quiet sections of music or between tracks.

It appears to not be a ground loop, tried a cheater plug and a humx adapter. Have tried 2 different rectifier tubes, but both seem to still produce appx the same amount as the "5Y3GT" Sovtek rectifier he supplied with it. I put that in quotes because as I understand it isnt a real 5Y3 since it is indirectly heated.

I'm 100% certain the buzz is coming from the preamp as when I removed it and kept all the other components in the signal path, all is dead quiet. Any other thoughts where I should look? Possibly the 6BX7 buffer? There's about ~12" between components on my shelves. Will try the tip above at physically moving the preamp a little.

Should I look for some different rectifier types? Since the Sovtek appears to have less voltage drop than a regular 5Y3 I'm guessing I'd be safe to look at other tubes without rebiasing or worrying about filter caps? Like 5AR4/GZ34, 5V4, 5W4, or 5Z4? Or am I just barking up the wrong tree here trying to remove this buzz?


I do not own the 3.1 but do the 27a and 3a. I can say that neither is dead silent. As I understand, as Dennis revised his preamp circuit beyond the lp-2, the improvements in dynamics and soundstage also came with a hum and that was my experience. As the efficiency gets toward 100db/... this hum starts to become actually bothersome IMO. I had a ~99db/ efficient setup in a bedroom which I ended up abandoning and using the equipment elsewhere. Anyway, Dennis can confirm but, the hum is inherent as I understand it so tube and cap swaps l doubt will have much effect.

I am sure some may see this as a flaw in the design and maybe they are right, but as I have read and listened to interviews with Dennis over the years I can appreciate that he refines by ear and not by test bench readings. That being said his reference speakers are in the low 90s efficiency and therefore the 120hz hum is barely noticeable. I recall he has had a couple khorn owners that have had issues.

As before best to contact the man himself and discuss.
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Old 08-31-2019, 10:31 AM
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Anyone have any idea as to what the most powerful amp that Dennis is offering now? Most of his postings are now of lower-powered triode operation amps.


I few, maybe as many as 10, pages back I recall Straitwire posting a list of available amps. The PSE - pentode would be the highest power I figure but he could elaborate and maybe give some numbers as well. What you say Tony?
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