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Years ago in a stereo store, a guy came in and was listening to the new Magnepan 2.7's I believe, all through a McIntosh system. He asked the dealer if he could bring in his big-ass receiver and hook it up to see how much different the sound was going to be, and if he could not hear any difference, he would buy them. Dealer said ok, but there would be a 30% or more decline in SQ. I knew I wanted to stick around for the demo. The guy could not tell any difference and said, "I'll take them"
If you take 200k in a front end, and hook it to some Electrovoice PA speakers (cannot remember the model now of the ones I always refer to as the most awful speakers I've ever heard, midrange that will bore a hole in your eardrum) it will still sound awful. The final transducer determines the overall SQ of a system. Just my worthless 2 cents. So I would spend at least 60% on speakers.
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I think a good speaker will reveal what good (or bad) gear can do. So he shouldn't have bought those speakers if a receiver can sound just as good as a Mc stack through them. |
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Room treatment is most important because your speakers are only as good as the room they are in. Speakers around 40%
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Gaining experience on what different set up can bring to the table is crucial. Having spent 3 days at the High End Show in Munich for the 4th year you get a really good overall feeling on whats on the "audio menu". Then you can choose the direction that best fits your style. And when you found it - go with the most expensive speakers you the budget allows you to buy - and going for second hand will save you some nice cash. The Munich show really proved to me that you don't have to go all in to find a sound that you like. There were several small but sweet options that really filled my heart with musical enjoyment. One example is the new Dynaudio The Special Forty.
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My speakers are in the low single digit value (%) relative to everything else.
As crazy as that is, they've never sounded better. I consider them the hardest thing to buy, due to the size and need to travel to listen to different speakers unless you're in the right city.
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Well all good points. I think there are some exceptions like Shindo lovers adding Altec speakers (604/Flamenco or Valencia) for a fraction of the cost of their expensive audio racks (not gear) and selling their ultra expensive speakers. There may be many others, but I used this one as I also got a pair of Altecs for low price and could not belive what a 50 year old paiur of speakers can do (without XO etc upgrade - will be forthcoming)
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ylee - well said.
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I agree 100% about treatments. I'm of the opinion that a well treated room with "mid-fi" equipment is better than an expensive system in a room with poor acoustics.
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Primary System (Always in flux): Analog Source: Rega RP10 Phono Preamp: Bryston BP2/PS3 Digital Software: Roon, Tidal Streaming Digital Music Server: Melco N1A/2 Digital Sources: Totaldac d1-twelve SE MkII (factory upgraded from MKI) with "live power" 4 output power supply, Oppo UDP-205 Preamplifier: Rogue Audio RP-9 (factory upgraded from RP-7) Amplifier: Vandersteen M5-HPA Speakers: Vandersteen Quatro Wood CT w/IsoAcoustics Gaia 1 feet Cabling: WW Platinum Starlight 7 digital wires, Totaldac Gigafilter USB filter, AQ Sky XLR, AQ Fire RCA Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Oak spades ---> bi-wire spades Power Cables: Esprit PC (for DAC), 2 WW Platinum Electra PC (Preamp/Phono Preamp), AQ NRG10 (Melco N1A/2), AQ Blizzard (Quatro Wood CT built-in subs) Power Conditioning: 2 AQ Niagara 1000, 3 Oyaide R1 outlets Sound Treatments: 23 ASC Tube Traps and 10 Panels |
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