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Old 08-11-2017, 06:29 PM
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Not as high-end as many here, but I believe it is possible that cables, as with gear, can change over time. I experienced it.

I replaced some Kimber Hero IC with Transparent Plus a while back. Playing one of my go-to tracks, it didn't sound much different than the Hero. I thought, "leave it for a while." The following week I played the same track, and the sound was different. It was smoother on the top end. And the detail was still there, plus a wee bit more. There weren't that many hours on the Plus; I'd guesstimate ten.

Maybe "break-in" is the wrong term from a technical standpoint? Anyway, while I don't discount science, I also am persuaded science doesn't/can't explain everything. There is theory and there is reality, and the two are sometimes at odds. There must be some objective process occurring to explain what happened in my case and that of many others. Perhaps there's simply no measurement or test for it, at least not yet.

Not feeling well today, but I hope the above is coherent enough.
I often wonder if hearing is similar to taste. Think about it when it comes to wine. Does aeration work? Does what you eat or drink earlier affect the taste? Does your mood affect the taste? Time of day? Temperature? Company? Etc...

For me, wine can taste different depending on all these factors and more.

Maybe our appreciation for audio is impacted by 20 other things we aren't even aware of! That could explain a bit of this phenomenon.
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Default and so on.. and so on.. and so on..

John: Hey Tom, ...I just got me this terrific amp you want to listen to it?

Tom: Ohhhh cool John, sounds great, but it would really shine if you had better speakers.. you know?..

Right..
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John: Hey Tom, I just got some great speakers to go with my new amp... it's outstanding.

Tom: Yep you're right John.. it's damn good, but you're system really would shine if you had a better CD player..

Right!..s
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John: Dude, I just got this real cool CD player, my system is now perfect!!..

Tom... Oh wow that is such an improvement.. but you really need to get some better cables..

Right you are...
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John: Hey Tom I need to tell you, you were so right about the cables.. such a difference.

Tom: Right John, these do make a difference.... You know now, you know to work on your room acoustics.. and speaker placement.. that would really set the stage..

Right..

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John:... I can't believe it.. I just got these cool panels.. and the base sounds just so much better.. Tom, I can't thank you, enough!...

Tom: See I told you man, it's all about the synergy.. Though your sound will go through the roof is you clean up your current.....

Right.....
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John: ....... ahhhh.. really?

Tom:.. yep.. really..

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Tom:.. you know John.. you should try a new amp.. you'd be surprised... just how much a new amp could really improve things..

John.. hey.. Tom.......


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Old 08-11-2017, 08:27 PM
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I often wonder if hearing is similar to taste. Think about it when it comes to wine. Does aeration work? Does what you eat or drink earlier affect the taste? Does your mood affect the taste? Time of day? Temperature? Company? Etc...

For me, wine can taste different depending on all these factors and more.

Maybe our appreciation for audio is impacted by 20 other things we aren't even aware of! That could explain a bit of this phenomenon.
Bingo !! ............ finally, an audiophile admitting that the 'mind' is at play here more than anything else !
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Bingo !! ............ finally, an audiophile admitting that the 'mind' is at play here more than anything else !
I'm just admitting that I'm open to the idea because I see parallels with other senses.
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I'm just admitting that I'm open to the idea because I see parallels with other senses.
LOL..........you just can't admit it can you !! ......
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LOL..........you just can't admit it can you !! ......
Not after I just bought TA ref ic's and SC's! Noooooooo
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John: Hey Tom, ...I just got me this terrific amp you want to listen to it?

Tom: Ohhhh cool John, sounds great, but it would really shine if you had better speakers.. you know?..

Right..
___________
John: Hey Tom, I just got some great speakers to go with my new amp... it's outstanding.

Tom: Yep you're right John.. it's damn good, but you're system really would shine if you had a better CD player..

Right!..s
_______________
John: Dude, I just got this real cool CD player, my system is now perfect!!..

Tom... Oh wow that is such an improvement.. but you really need to get some better cables..

Right you are...
_______________
John: Hey Tom I need to tell you, you were so right about the cables.. such a difference.

Tom: Right John, these do make a difference.... You know now, you know to work on your room acoustics.. and speaker placement.. that would really set the stage..

Right..

_____________
John:... I can't believe it.. I just got these cool panels.. and the base sounds just so much better.. Tom, I can't thank you, enough!...

Tom: See I told you man, it's all about the synergy.. Though your sound will go through the roof is you clean up your current.....

Right.....
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John: ....... ahhhh.. really?

Tom:.. yep.. really..

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This is NOT accurate!

You forgot Stillpoints!
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The debat about cables is one that will keep coming up, IMO the following points are very important before you should start comparing cables:

- Is your power supply up to the task (equipment correctly phased, preferably separate audio groups for analog/digital)
- Are there any "bottlenecks" in your equipment. (it will never sound better then the weakest link)
- Are your speakers set up correctly in the room (so important !!)
- Optimized room acoustics and system tuning.

When all points are ticked, I am confident that your system can highlight differences between cables.

I agree some prices for cables are getting stratospheric, I would not pay USD 80000 for a pair of speaker cables either, but just purchase the cables that suite your budget and system.
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One observation I had is that there are inexpensive cables that handle 5GHz just fine for broadcast and antennas. Obsessing over the 20-20,000Hz spectrum seems illogical in comparison.
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This is NOT accurate!

You forgot Stillpoints!
Damn it! ...
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