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Old 05-30-2013, 12:38 PM
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Default 20amp to 15amp cheater plugs

has anyone used a plug to continue using an older 20amp on a source? Did the cheater seem to compromise quality?
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Old 05-30-2013, 12:57 PM
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Ray.......I use Voo Doo 15 Amp to 20 Amp IEC adapter on my PurePower 2000 AC regenerator. Works perfectly with no issues.


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I thought a 20amp plug looked like this?

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Old 05-30-2013, 02:54 PM
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Jim.......You are correct. Your photo is a NEMA 20 amp male cord connector. I may have misunderstood what Ray was asking. My adapter is for adapting a 15 amp IEC power cord to a 20 amp IEC connector on a component.
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Jim.......You are correct. Your photo is a NEMA 20 amp male cord connector. I may have misunderstood what Ray was asking. My adapter is for adapting a 15 amp IEC power cord to a 20 amp IEC connector on a component.
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Now that I look at his question I am not sure what he is asking. Maybe your are correct.
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Interestingly, I just sent an email to Shunyata last Friday asking them this very question. This is the answer.

Question:
> I have two Python CX power cords with the 20 amp connectors. If I get new amps with 15 amp sockets will I hear any performance degradation if I use your 20 to 15 amp adapters?
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The adapters are typically used for short term evaluations rather than long term solutions. However, many customers have still used these adapters for situations like the one you find yourself in. If we were to take a guess on a percentage difference between with the connector and without, we would feel there would be a 10% loss or less when power cables are used with these adapters. Some customers have evaluated them side by side and have not heard a differences and others have.
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Interestingly, I just sent an email to Shunyata last Friday asking them this very question. This is the answer.

Question:
> I have two Python CX power cords with the 20 amp connectors. If I get new amps with 15 amp sockets will I hear any performance degradation if I use your 20 to 15 amp adapters?
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Answer:
The adapters are typically used for short term evaluations rather than long term solutions. However, many customers have still used these adapters for situations like the one you find yourself in. If we were to take a guess on a percentage difference between with the connector and without, we would feel there would be a 10% loss or less when power cables are used with these adapters. Some customers have evaluated them side by side and have not heard a differences and others have.
BlueFox.......I don't think that answer from Shunyata could not be any more vague. How the heck did they arrive at a 10% loss with a "guess" and a "feel"? The next question would be a 10% loss of what? I don't think I would place a lot of stock in that answer.

Here is what Voo Doo Cable has to say about the adapter I use:

15 amp to 20 amp IEC Adapter
Adapt your 15 amp power cord to 20 amp IEC panel-mount connector. This universal 120/240 volt IEC adapter is specifically designed for high-end audio with absolutely no current "loss" or phase shift. These adapters are sonically transparent - guaranteed!

- Audiophile Quality Design & Construction
- Cryogenically treated in cold fusion (-315 F)
- #10 AWG solid copper conductors
- RTV Silicone Insulated
- 3 1/4" (82mm) length
- Universal 120/240 volt
- Handcrafted in the USA
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what i was trying to find out was the effectiveness of a cheater plug on the distal end of a 20 amp power cord which goes into your gear( the proximal end goes into wall). the distal end 20 amp is a four sided rectangle, the 15 amp is a 6 sided flat roof. i want to take my 20 amp which is the pc on a hydra, fit it with an adopter so it can be used on a source component.
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Old 05-30-2013, 03:23 PM
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Ray.......This adapter from Voo Doo Cables will do what you want.

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20 amp to 15 amp IEC Adapter
Adapt your 20 amp power cord to 15 amp IEC panel-mount connector. This universal 120/240 volt IEC adapter is specifically designed for high-end audio with absolutely no current "loss" or phase shift. These adapters are are sonically transparent - guaranteed!
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what i was trying to find out was the effectiveness of a cheater plug on the distal end of a 20 amp power cord which goes into your gear( the proximal end goes into wall). the distal end 20 amp is a four sided rectangle, the 15 amp is a 6 sided flat roof. i want to take my 20 amp which is the pc on a hydra, fit it with an adopter so it can be used on a source component.
thanks guys
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