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Old 03-23-2016, 12:20 PM
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Default Aerial 20 T's V2 with subwoofer

I'm looking to add a subwoofer to my system. Its is a two channel system
I'm considering the JL Audio Fathom F112 and the F113 also considering
Aerial SW12. Does anyone have any experience with these subwoofers?
If I go with JL Audio would you recommend the F112 or the F113?
My room is 12 feet wide by 20 feet long with a 7 foot 6 inch ceiling height
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Old 03-23-2016, 01:14 PM
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All are solid choices. There is a sense of synergy with the Aerial subs, no doubt. But if you want balls-out, F113V2 x2 is your starting point.
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We use the Aerials 6T's (clearly a very different animal than the 20T). Back them up with REL subs; also tried the JL Audio E-sub series. Both were great; I found the REL's slightly easy to blend in, maybe it is softer filter slopes (12 dB v 24 dB/octave) for REL.

--> are the 20T's offered any longer? not on the Aerial website AFAIK.
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I own a pair of Aerial SW12's to go with my 20T's. I also own every JL sub made; the SW12's match nicely, but the F113's are clearly the better subs in every regard.
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I own a pair of Aerial SW12's to go with my 20T's. I also own every JL sub made; the SW12's match nicely, but the F113's are clearly the better subs in every regard.
I'm assuming you feel I should go with the F-113. What is the sonic differance
between the F-112 and the F-113?
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Do Aerial 20T's ever go up for sale? Ever since I heard them at Ivan's I can't get them out of my head. SRV's "Tin Pan Alley" changed my life that day!
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Do Aerial 20T's ever go up for sale? Ever since I heard them at Ivan's I can't get them out of my head. SRV's "Tin Pan Alley" changed my life that day!
Ha, I haven't seen any; I know I'm keeping mine.
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I'm assuming you feel I should go with the F-113. What is the sonic differance
between the F-112 and the F-113?
The 113 goes lower, and has more power; weighs more too 154lbs.
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Ha, I haven't seen any; I know I'm keeping mine.
No you're not. You are selling them to me. You just don't realize it yet!
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