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Old 09-11-2013, 02:02 PM
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My VK-600 SE has two power cords (it is a dual mono design) that are currently plugged straight in to the wall on separate outlets on the same 15 amp circuit. I would like to use a Shunyata Cyclops between the amp and the wall.

I figure that even wide open, each side of the amplifier never draws more than 5 amps (total 10 because it's dual mono), so can I get away with plugging both power cords into one Cyclops and then using only one power cord to the wall?

Victor, what do you think?
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Old 09-12-2013, 03:58 PM
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Most likely you will subject the amp to severe current starvation. Each channel will WANT to draw much more than 5A at full power. Ideally you would not want to have any current limiting devices between the power line and your amp.
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Old 09-12-2013, 06:23 PM
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Post this in the Shunyata forum and let Caelin Gabriel answer it. I know the Triton is not current limiting, and I 'think' the Cyclops is the same.
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Old 09-12-2013, 06:33 PM
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Most likely you will subject the amp to severe current starvation. Each channel will WANT to draw much more than 5A at full power. Ideally you would not want to have any current limiting devices between the power line and your amp.
Thanks, Victor. Your answer begs the next question: is the VK-600 SE already getting starved by a mere 15 amp circuit?
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:16 AM
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Thanks, Victor. Your answer begs the next question: is the VK-600 SE already getting starved by a mere 15 amp circuit?
That top level observation is true of any high-power amplifier. On the surface, your power is limited to 1800W, consumed, but in reality as we know, with music your peak-to-average-power ratio is quite high, so the main concern is not your sustained power - I can't imagine anyone being present in a room with several hundred watts continuously driving speakers... but rather the peaks.

Your typical household 15A line often can deliver peaks in the 100A range, covering all your instantaneous needs plus some.
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Old 09-13-2013, 05:26 PM
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Victor is quite right about the difference between continuous and peak current demand. And I fully agree that current limiting devices should not be inserted between a high current amp and the wall outlet.

As to the question about the Cyclops and its ability to deliver instantaneous current - how can I say this in simple terms? Ok, how about this for a non-technical explanation. The Cyclops limits instantaneous current delivery LESS than the standard power cord that came in the box with the amp.

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Old 09-14-2013, 09:23 AM
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Typically my advice on using any such devices is to try the system both ways, and go with what sounds best to you. Trying is always the best approach. One can never predict the outcome based on just the marketing information and specifications.
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The Cyclops limits instantaneous current delivery LESS than the standard power cord that came in the box with the amp.
Would it be fair to say a Cyclops, along with a better power cord, would limit instantaneous current delivery "LESS than the standard power cord that came in the box with the amp."?

The benefit being better instantaneous current delivery, and cleaner power, than the stock power cord.
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Would it be fair to say a Cyclops, along with a better power cord, would limit instantaneous current delivery "LESS than the standard power cord that came in the box with the amp."?

The benefit being better instantaneous current delivery, and cleaner power, than the stock power cord.
You may want to move the question to the Shunyata forum as a courtesy to the BAT forum.

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You may want to move the question to the Shunyata forum as a courtesy to the BAT forum.

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I think that is a good idea.
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