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Old 03-24-2011, 09:09 PM
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Do You use the 1" or the 2" wide tape?
The 2" creates a MUCH deeper and wider soundstage. The 1" will give you pinpoint accuracy and imaging.

Do not, I REPEAT, DO NOT try the 3" ....


It will just blow your mind......
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The 2" creates a MUCH deeper and wider soundstage. The 1" will give you pinpoint accuracy and imaging.

Do not, I REPEAT, DO NOT try the 3" ....


It will just blow your mind......
I use 2", but tear it into 1" strips as I've found that this retains the soundstage depth while...
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Robert.......Don't worry about what was done, or not done at David's home. He'll move the speakers back where they were soon enough.
He could put them in his driveway & they'd still sound good...
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Well, I'll never be confused for a "speaker whisperer"...in fact, I could scream at the things and I don't think they'd even hear me, but I digress.

Graciously, David allowed me to entertain myself, today, with his beautiful system. Initially, we spent some time listening to his new turntable with the Shelter cartridge, and I was very impressed with the musicality of the system...not to mention the great looks of his Michell. This is the second time that I've been to his place, and I find his system very involving. It is warmer than my currently very sterile listening environment, and it completely draws me into the music. A very, very enjoyable experience which makes listening a true pleasure. As a side benefit of spinning some of his albums, I took note of a couple that I need to add to my shopping list.

Once we got through some listening, it was time to turn our attention to speaker placement. I'm totally a trial and error guy with a tin ear, so I guess that you could say that my goal for the day was to set a location from which further tweaking could be done, if desired. The Elipsas appeared to be slightly off center relative to the listening position, and also with slightly different toe. Some quick measurements confirmed this...love my new laser measurer...nothing like 1/32" accuracy!

Since I don't really know how Elipsas like to play relative to toe-in in David's room, I simply decided to pick a point about 24" behind the seating position to use as the "crossfire" point. Using some basics from Get Better Sound, we created a centerline, got the speakers equally positioned on either side, and then equally positioned to the focal point. Once we had the bottom distance set and both speakers square to the focal point, we adjusted the rake to make sure that the tweeters were equidistant from the listening position (Initially, they were off by about 3/4" even though the bottoms of the speakers were at the same distance). At this point, our ratio of tweeter to tweeter vs. tweeter to ear was approximately 0.80...which falls within the range referenced in GBS. After some listening tests, we didn't feel as though we were getting the soundstage width that we know is possible, but, unfortunately, time did not permit for further tinkering. So while we surely made some progress from where we started, we didn't hit a home run.

I enjoyed myself...and I thank David for allowing me to help him work on his beautiful system. One last note...I also came away thankful for the fact that my new Sophias are still on wheels which makes this whole positioning experiment much more pleasant!
Sounds like you guys had a great time!

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Old 03-25-2011, 02:28 AM
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Sounds like you guys had a great time!

Here's how to hit a home run. Turn off the tools. Ignore your eyes. Trust your ears.
You're the JEDI of speaker placement !
Your note makes me think of the guideline provided by some companies.
They say that in any way, right and left speakers should be positionned in a symmetrical way to your listening position. This would increase the resonnances of the room by creating more stationnary waves.
You're absolutely right : ears are the ultimate and only guides, but for amateurs like us, eyes are a good start....
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Sounds like you guys had a great time!

Here's how to hit a home run. Turn off the tools. Ignore your eyes. Trust your ears.
I would pay close attention to what Bill says! Measurements can get you in the ballpark, but your ears are what matter. Before Bill voiced my speakers, I had them positioned by the numbers with a laser guide. This however didn't take into consideration the totality of the room. (The room wasn't exactly square/symmetrical).

Bill's final placement doesn't have the speakers the same distance from the adjacent walls or to my listening chair. To the naked eye they appear symmetrical, but vary a few inches here and a few inches there. It just shows to go you, let your ears determine final placement.

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I would pay close attention to what Bill says! Measurements can get you in the ballpark, but your ears are what matter. Before Bill voiced my speakers, I had them positioned by the numbers with a laser guide. This however didn't take into consideration the totality of the room. (The room wasn't exactly square/symmetrical).

Bill's final placement doesn't have the speakers the same distance from the adjacent walls or to my listening chair. To the naked eye they appear symmetrical, but vary a few inches here and a few inches there. It just shows to go you, let your ears determine final placement.

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Yes, getting together in this hobby is always fun. Not surprisingly, I'm a singles hitter...you bat clean up.
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I have a good friend that is into Von Schwiekert and he even tweeks after using audessy. It really is amazing how a sounstage can appear and vanish just by toeing in an inch or two.
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