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I know that multiple woofers of a smaller size will add often add up to more radiating area than fewer woofers of a larger size, but sometimes it seems that a single larger woofer is just better at bass than many smaller woofers. My LS360's have 4 10" woofer per pair. They have play flat to 20hz. But somehow they are not quite the same as my old Klipschorn's pair of 15" woofers that were only flat to 35hz or so. The Klipschorns bass was just "there" unlike any other speaker I've owned.
Well then I guess you know what I am talking about. I can't say for sure if it really has to do with just the woofer size, it is probably a lot more complex than that but the one pair of speakers that stood out with bass that was just closer to real sounding in terms of impact and energizing the room the way a real drum kit would were the Sophia IIs. Now, it could also be a combination of impedance/amp/speaker cable interaction as well.
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Listening further revealed that more complex recordings with instruments spanning various frequency ranges will cause a bit of roughness and smearing of sound... Of course I played back the track and walked over to the speaker and put my hand on the side of the speaker, sure enough it has a noticeable amount of cabinet vibrations... More so than I noticed with the SF Cremona Auditors or the Guarneri Memento's. That is a negative with many other floorstanding speakers as well. I got spoiled by the Wilson cabinets that are rock solid. Got to make more solid/less resonant cabinets when you are charging over $10k for speakers!
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My 2K's don't vibrate, budge, or resonate.

Neither do the Strad's
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My 2K's don't vibrate, budge, or resonate.

Neither do the Strad's
I sure hope not at that price range. I don't recall hearing any vibration induced anamolies with either the Elipsa or Strads. The GMs and Cremona As had a very little amount.
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Serge, From your photo's, are you still using the Transparent speaker cables with the SF's?

IMO not a good match with the SF's.

The transparent cables are a little dark thru the mids/upper frequencies and the bass has little "Prat" as you may have it and sounds a bit thick. It plays perfectly to the strengths of Wilson speakers but not Sonus Faber speakers.
No wonder you find them a bit mellow and boring ATM.

Try a pair of Kimber speaker cables from your dealer. Pace and rhythm in the bass will better as well as tighter and the upper bass/ mids will open up with better extention on top.

That is my experience with Transparent Ref XLV-MM vs Kimber Select KS3033.

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Hey! There's my speaker.

Looks a lot like my speakers too, but that piece of furniture with the television etc. looks like it probably cost more than my house and cars combined. What a gorgeous backdrop for your speakers, Serge.

Any idea how the Cremona M's compare with your memory of the Mementos?

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Listening further revealed that more complex recordings with instruments spanning various frequency ranges will cause a bit of roughness and smearing of sound... Of course I played back the track and walked over to the speaker and put my hand on the side of the speaker, sure enough it has a noticeable amount of cabinet vibrations... More so than I noticed with the SF Cremona Auditors or the Guarneri Memento's. That is a negative with many other floorstanding speakers as well. I got spoiled by the Wilson cabinets that are rock solid. Got to make more solid/less resonant cabinets when you are charging over $10k for speakers!
Serge, how do you have the Cremona M's coupled to the floor? Could be that the vibration is not in the speaker cabinet, but comes from lack of firm foundation. Looking at your picture, the 4 spikes, if not perfectly adjusted can allow for a major amount of vibration, as opposed to a 3 spike solution which, in my experience, will not allow any. Check to see that the 4 spikes are so adjusted that they will not allow any "wobble".

I would love to know if Symposium Svelte Pads + RollerBlock Jr's would completely eliminate the vibration you are experiencing. (Or maybe one of the other choices from the very wide variety of coupling devices - I was looking at the Music Direct catalogue this morning and saw dozens of different answers to vibration control)

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DOWNSTAIRS SYSTEM: . . . Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento Speakers, JL Audio F112 Sub, McIntosh MA7000 Integrated Amp, McIntosh MVP871 Universal Disc Player, OPPO BDP-105 Blu-Ray Player, VPI Scoutmaster with periphery ring clamp, VPI SDS Motor Drive, Koetsu Pro IV, or Clearaudio Discovery Cartridges, Mark Levinson No. 25s phono stage, Wadia 170i Transport with a Meridian Bitstream 203 DAC, VPI HW-17 Pro Record Cleaning Machine, Five Richard Gray RGPC 400 devices scattered around the two systems, Arcici Suspense Rack System, Discovery Essence and Essential Cables, 14,000 ± LPs .

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Shane, yes I would not consider the transparent and SF to be the greatest pairing. The Cremona Ms are going back soon so I am not going to make changes in cables for them.



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Serge, From your photo's, are you still using the Transparent speaker cables with the SF's?

IMO not a good match with the SF's.

The transparent cables are a little dark thru the mids/upper frequencies and the bass has little "Prat" as you may have it and sounds a bit thick. It plays perfectly to the strengths of Wilson speakers but not Sonus Faber speakers.
No wonder you find them a bit mellow and boring ATM.

Try a pair of Kimber speaker cables from your dealer. Pace and rhythm in the bass will better as well as tighter and the upper bass/ mids will open up with better extention on top.

That is my experience with Transparent Ref XLV-MM vs Kimber Select KS3033.

cheers
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Looks a lot like my speakers too, but that piece of furniture with the television etc. looks like it probably cost more than my house and cars combined. What a gorgeous backdrop for your speakers, Serge.

Any idea how the Cremona M's compare with your memory of the Mementos?

Julian
Julian, the Cremona Ms are a bit more capable in the bass although not necessarily quality of bass. Other than that, to my ears the GMs are head and shoulders more refined sounding.
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Serge, how do you have the Cremona M's coupled to the floor? Could be that the vibration is not in the speaker cabinet, but comes from lack of firm foundation. Looking at your picture, the 4 spikes, if not perfectly adjusted can allow for a major amount of vibration, as opposed to a 3 spike solution which, in my experience, will not allow any. Check to see that the 4 spikes are so adjusted that they will not allow any "wobble".

I would love to know if Symposium Svelte Pads + RollerBlock Jr's would completely eliminate the vibration you are experiencing. (Or maybe one of the other choices from the very wide variety of coupling devices - I was looking at the Music Direct catalogue this morning and saw dozens of different answers to vibration control)

Julian
They are spiked well and I played around with the rake angle as well. The spikes are not a problem, I feel the vibration and can hear it as smearing but it bodes well for stringed instruments and seems to fall in the general frequency range as well, they have a sweetness to them that is very noticeable, perhaps even a bit exxagerated. I think that symbiotic cabinet resonance may be a built in characteristic by design.
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