C2300 and C1000P phono stages

[jdandy]

Originally Posted by C220MC275

Dan, THANK YOU !!
When I read you, I feel more serenity. Your words and thoughts are priceless. "Maintaining your sanity" reminds me the song "Vincent". I did not understand all the words in it. But "Now I understand"....
You're a real friend Dan.
I'm HAPPY to know you.
Thank you so much,
Jérôme

Jérôme.......I am humbled by your thoughts. Thank you, too.

[gregswaim]

Originally Posted by jdandy

Greg.......That's a broad brush you are painting with. There have been a number of reviews on the C1000P/T, with more than one reviewer stating the phono stages in the C1000 outperform many high dollar external phono preamps. That is not saying that there aren't some highly touted, well respected, and pricey external phono preamps available that some feel are the best of the best. Of course, this doesn't even take into consideration, as well respected as it is, that really serious vinyl playback goes way beyond Linn Sondek, and that's before a phono preamp or a cartridge are even selected.

Hi Dan.
The phono stages in those preamps are very limited in more ways than one. You have fewer choices for pickups as the there are no options for different loads. A serious vinyl person does not want to settle for only ONE setting for MM or MC pickups
A dedicated phono stage with it's own power supply, variable load selections, quality of construction, are only a few reasons for a separate phono stage.
And you're correct regarding a good vinyl playback going beyond only a LP12/tonearm/pickup -a really good dedicated phono stage is also needed.

[Jerome W]

Originally Posted by gregswaim

Hi Dan.
The phono stages in those preamps are very limited in more ways than one. You have fewer choices for pickups as the there are no options for different loads. A serious vinyl person does not want to settle for only ONE setting for MM or MC pickups
A dedicated phono stage with it's own power supply, variable load selections, quality of construction, are only a few reasons for a separate phono stage.
And you're correct regarding a good vinyl playback going beyond only a LP12/tonearm/pickup -a really good dedicated phono stage is also needed.

Hi,

Interesting comment.

I noticed yesterday that the C1000 does not give the choice for multiple load, and the 2300 does, if I make no mistake.
I decided to buy the 1000 anyway because :
1) I listened to it during a long session on vinyl at Jean Marc ( jmajma) 's home and with a fair and not expensive TT, it was just anyhting I could need. The sound quality was just exceptionnal.
2) After reading Dan's review, comparing the 2 separates. I trust Dan's ears very much, and you can see that in my signature... !
3) If Dan comes to Paris one day, now I'm sure he will either call me fo a drink, or even better, have its room in my house, instead of staying in a hotel !

Without kidding, after hearing the C1000, I'm not sure the phono load selection is so important.... But I understand it could be very important for most separates....

Best wishes,
Jérôme

[j3brow]

Originally Posted by C220MC275

Hi,

Interesting comment.

I noticed yesterday that the C1000 does not give the choice for multiple load, and the 2300 does, if I make no mistake.

Without kidding, after hearing the C1000, I'm not sure the phono load selection is so important.... But I understand it could be very important for most separates....

Best wishes,
Jérôme

Jerome,

This does NOT sound correct. Here is a direct quote lifted from the McIntosh website regarding PHONO on the C1000:

PHONO SECTION FLEXIBILITY
Moving Magnet has adjustable capacitance from the remote to allow
flexibility in matching your favorite turntable. Moving Coil offers adjustable
resistance also from the remote control for the same flexibility.

These are the same features available on the C2300.

I couldnt envision McIntosh leaving these features off of the C1000. Can someone who owns a C1000 confirm??


Jason

[PHC1]

The C500 and C1000 seem to have identical phono stages and they are both adjustable. Since I've had the C500, I looked into the features but did not actually try the phono stage.


Phono MM, 47k ohms; 50 to 750pF, in 50pF steps
Phono MC, 25, 50, 100, 200, 500 or 1,000 ohms;
100pF

Jerome, in any case, I'm sure the C1000 phono stage will do your TT justice. If you ever move really high up on the TT/arm/cartridge scale then you can look into an outboard, dedicated phono stage.

[Jean-Marc jmajma]

Congrat's Jérôme, you'll enjoy it a lot.

Jean-Marc.

[Jerome W]

Originally Posted by Jean-Marc jmajma

Congrat's Jérôme, you'll enjoy it a lot.

Jean-Marc.

Thanks Jean Marc !!

You and Dan are the ones who made me buy it !

[Jerome W]

Originally Posted by PHC1

The C500 and C1000 seem to have identical phono stages and they are both adjustable. Since I've had the C500, I looked into the features but did not actually try the phono stage.


Phono MM, 47k ohms; 50 to 750pF, in 50pF steps
Phono MC, 25, 50, 100, 200, 500 or 1,000 ohms;
100pF

Jerome, in any case, I'm sure the C1000 phono stage will do your TT justice. If you ever move really high up on the TT/arm/cartridge scale then you can look into an outboard, dedicated phono stage.

Thanks Serge,

Yes I really intend to upgrade my TT and buy the same one as Jean Marc.
I will not need an outboard phono stage. What I heard at Jean Marc's house was something of an audio Nirvana.

Best wishes,
Jérôme

[-E-]

Jerome, you definately made the right decision on the C1K setup. What a marvelous piece of gear and I'm sure you got it for a song from AC (and perfectly working, to boot).

I'm sure Dan would be willing to help you set it up for a little tour in bordeaux...

[Jerome W]

Originally Posted by Vesuvius

Jerome, you definately made the right decision on the C1K setup. What a marvelous piece of gear and I'm sure you got it for a song from AC (and perfectly working, to boot).

I'm sure Dan would be willing to help you set it up for a little tour in bordeaux...

Thank you !!
Bourgogne is also great, and not far from Paris !
Dan ???