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Old 04-19-2017, 09:01 PM
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I wonder how the C2600 would sound with 4B3 or 7B3's...

Anybody running the McBryston combos' ??....

I wonder about their synergy....

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I wonder how the C2600 would sound with 4B3 or 7B3's...



Anybody running the McBryston combos' ??....



I wonder about their synergy....





I can't speak to Bryston, but our local club did a MC/Cary shootout a few years back.
Cary pre + Cary Amp was awesome!
Mc pre + Mc amp was also awesome!
Any deviation or combination was good, but not even close to as revealing.
As I recall - McIntosh C500 and dual 275's in mono
And Cary SLP 98 and SA-200.2? I know the Cary pre is right :-)

I think that the input/output impedance is off just enough between brands to smear thing up a bit.

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I upgraded from a McIntosh C50 (solid state) pre amp, to a C2500 (tube) unit, driving my MC452 power amp, after several of my audiophile friends thought I'd enjoy the "tube sound" more.

I immediately found that well-recorded acoustic pianos and violins sounded more "realistic" and more "musical".

Once I had about 200 hours on the C2500, there was no going back to the C50, which is an excellent pre amp.

I use an external DAC, so the DAC built into the pre amps would not be a selling point for me. But the C2600 has a newer generation ESS DAC chipset, so if anything, should be a bit better than the C2500.

In either case, I think that the McIntosh tube pre amp is a great match for the MC452. One of my audiophile buddies said that all the McIntosh employees he knows, who do not have an integrated amp at home, have tube pre amps!
I just wanted to chime in I also have a C2500 and don't know specifically about the MC452 but I went from a Bryston 4b to a Rogue ST100 and that improved my sound maybe twice as much as just the C2500 did. I really wanted a MC275 but there is no way for could make the irregular design work.

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I wonder how the C2600 would sound with 4B3 or 7B3's...

Anybody running the McBryston combos' ??....

I wonder about their synergy....

My 4b sounded great but I really prefer my all tube sound now.


This has been a good thread I thought about the c2600 but I get DSD though my Oppo bdp 105d and I only have a few and prefer vinyl so not sure if it would be worth the upgrade?
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If you listen to vinyl, that's a good reason to get the C2600. The phono stage is meant to be very good.
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If you listen to vinyl, that's a good reason to get the C2600. The phono stage is meant to be very goods.


It's pretty fantastic IMHO. Much better than any other that I've had (Musical Surroundings Phonomina II with Welborne Labs Powers Supply and McIntosh C47). Unfortunately, I've never had the chance to critically listen to the C2300 or C2500 phono stages to compare.
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My d100 to c2600 experience to contribute a viewpoint (warning, I am language challenged, and apologize for trying to sound like an audio review ó vodka will do that to you). The differences are not as large as I make them out below (Iím exaggerating to draw out minor points).

The sound bubble got bigger with the c2600. I was always surprised how instruments could move beyond the speakers through the d100 -- they scooched over further and the room got bigger with the c2600 (bounce/echo). This made me happiest and was what I had hoped. The bass seemed a bit deeper/authoritative (counter to a review Iíd read); but different (more id than the d100ís super-ego).

Immediacy is the term others used to describe the c4700. I'd have to agree for the d100 also (probably to a lesser degree but stores are different than your home system/room). Synthesizers taste different -- and that is what comes down to me where someone might really prefer a c4700. For electric drum like sounds and other pops/sproings/tinks, the d100 is fast and like a fresh raw snow pea, the c2600 has stir fried it (still crisp/fresh, a little oil, a little bitter gone). Slide your finger on d100 paper, you bleed (it can hurt). When mostly electronic fast instrumental, I sometimes miss the d100 aseptic, but that takes its toll and I donít listen to as much of that music anymore. Not to say electronics are sloppy on a c2600. Moog-type sounds/echoes on the c2600 were expansive and hauntingly superior (Numan wanted this). The c2600 seemed to make some sounds that are not natural sound a bit more like they might be natural (the sound didnít pop out of a mold with bits flying around, but grew). Manufactured food versus traditional. Mix in some mid-career Depeche Mode, and its better on the c2600. Fast beat house music does not do as well on the c2600.

Classic rockó just seems more real on the c2600. I can feel the stick hit the drum skin with just the slightest detent (not on the d100; stick meet metal no echo). And the guitar, that has to be where the c2600 shines; reverb is familiar. I know the reviews say this about strings, but your have to experience it. When listening to Chicagoó the brass is played by flesh, not machine. Soul, R&B feels warmer, sweatier, smoother on the c2600 (I can taste a hint of body oder). Jazz depends on the type. Voices, the reviews talk about hearing distortion, I donít know, I almost always connect more with the C2600 voice than the d100. Classicaló the flute is reproduced by the d100, but is played on the c2600 (I could believe a little detail is missing).

The recording flickered into my room as a ďlive performance" a little more often on the d100 (hey!), but the c2600 always seemed genuine whether or not the performance was in my room. My speakers/system just arenít good enough for in-room performances.

The d100 was such a leap from the 30-year old Yamaha (CX1000, original owner) I was using. I think the MC452 from MX1000 was a much bigger change. d100 to c2600 was not a leap, but a step. I think I may like some characteristics of the R2R DAC in the Yamaha (should tell you something about my preferences). I like the c2600 DAC over the d100. Perhaps Iíll explore different DACs if I donít end up living under a freeway from this purchase (so you see I needed to convince myself the c2600 was preferred by me). Still get fatigue from sessions.

I listened by connecting the d100 as a DAC on the c2600 and solo into the amp (but through, gasp, a men220). This was hard to switch. I tried an RCA switcher instead of balanced connectors I normally use, but the el-cheapo one I had didnít work properly. So most of this is long term memory listening which really isnít objective. Iíve listened without the men220 in line on the c2600, but am unsure what I was hearing because the room gets muddy, where Iím not sure what Iím listening to in terms of differences (perhaps room treatment some day). Surprisingly, I did hear differences with the men220 in the path, like Dan said I would, but didnít expect to. Donít know if its real or the power of $uggestion, but Iím happy, so get Aristotle points. Yes, I have Mcintosh speakers, which I suppose makes me an uber-fanboy. I was going for synergy with them to get the closer to that house sound I didnít like in my youth, but associate with now. To quote the Telosians,ĒMay you find your way as pleasant."
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