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Old 08-12-2017, 11:26 PM
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Doug.......If I am not mistaken here, I believe the 50 ohm coaxial cables terminated in BNC that Ivan mentioned above are the cables used for the external clock signals, not the SPDIF coaxial cables used to a DAC for file transfer. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Oh yes I see. Ivan mixed in 50-ohm BNC cable, you are right. I thought he was talking about AES/EBU.
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:28 AM
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Bill.......And optical Toslink. .
Absolutely correct Dan, and Toslink has additional limitations handling SPDIF signals generally resulting in a more limited bandwidth than the non-optical alternatives.
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Absolutely not. When it comes to digital transmission - as long as the cable meets the specifications - it will not alter the bits. The only way to improve SQ is to alter bits, and the cable just cannot do that.

The only to options to change the bits is to process them differently (a better DAC) or start with better bits to begin with (better audio encoding and mastering).
I just came across a new post from Charles Hansen the man behind Ayre Acoustics who manufactures some very highly regarded DACs, and thought it would be of interest here since it's directly related to the subject of digital audio data transmission. (Bolded text is presented as he posted it, not my emphasis.)

"As you've likely found out, when it comes to computer audio (which is still basically in its early years) almost everything that shouldn't make a difference in sound quality actually does make a difference in sound quality. This explains the existence of hundreds of different USB cables, USB re-clockers, USB filters, various music player applications that have differing sound quality, and on and on and on.

The reason why behind all of this is that there is no such thing as digital audio. It is all an abstract concept based on an abstract concept (mathematics). Instead what we call "digital audio signals" are really high speed analog signal (usually square waves) that have various methods of determining if the signal is supposed to represent a one or a zero. In other words, all of the problems with digital audio are actually analog problems.
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I just came across a new post from Charles Hansen the man behind Ayre Acoustics who manufactures some very highly regarded DACs, and thought it would be of interest here since it's directly related to the subject of digital audio data transmission. (Bolded text is presented as he posted it, not my emphasis.)

"As you've likely found out, when it comes to computer audio (which is still basically in its early years) almost everything that shouldn't make a difference in sound quality actually does make a difference in sound quality. This explains the existence of hundreds of different USB cables, USB re-clockers, USB filters, various music player applications that have differing sound quality, and on and on and on.

The reason why behind all of this is that there is no such thing as digital audio. It is all an abstract concept based on an abstract concept (mathematics). Instead what we call "digital audio signals" are really high speed analog signal (usually square waves) that have various methods of determining if the signal is supposed to represent a one or a zero. In other words, all of the problems with digital audio are actually analog problems.
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Nope, that is the reality of the situation.
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You are kidding me...right?
Not at all, he speaks the absolute truth coming from an engineering standpoint. If digital music reproduction was all as simple as many would prefer to believe then CD playback would have been perfect since its inception.
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Not at all, he speaks the absolute truth coming from an engineering standpoint. If digital music reproduction was all as simple as many would prefer to believe then CD playback would have been perfect since its inception.
This is more of a optical, mechanical, to digital, to analog chain. Not the cable.

Anyway, this is an Aurender N10 thread. If you guys want to keep debating cables, make a new thread.
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Not at all, he speaks the absolute truth coming from an engineering standpoint. If digital music reproduction was all as simple as many would prefer to believe then CD playback would have been perfect since its inception.
It is subjective opinion at best. I am talking digital ones and zeros, the data they represent, and how there is zero scientific way that any cable can change the way that digital data sounds, period.

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It is subjective opinion at best. I am talking digital ones and zeros, the data they represent, and how there is zero scientific way that any cable can change the way that digital data sounds, period.

Believe what you want.

Take it to another thread. This is my impression of the N10.
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