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Old 08-11-2017, 03:22 AM
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Dear members,

as user of a Puccini since 5 years, I am thinking for upgrading to Rossini player. I read many of you have the chance to have a Vivaldi stack , but I didn't read something about the Rossini.

So can you share your experience with Rossini. It would be very helpful
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:26 AM
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Do you have the opportunity to listen to one? Also what will be your main source of getting digital to the DAC? I have both a Vivaldi stack (sans transport) in my main system and Rossini/clock (sans cd transport) in study system. The Vivaldi is better but the Rossini is one of the best values out there if you don't require SACD playback. A third option is Vivaldi DAC paired with dCS bridge.

Most of my digital music comes from ripped CDs and hi Rez downloads supplemented with some Tidal streams. All of this is managed by Roon ROCK on i7 NUC via Ethernet.

I don't use USB given inherent noise and IMO Ethernet is a higher quality source. I highly recommend the Rossini, it was better than the Linn, MSB and ARC options I listened to....IMO
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:33 AM
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Here is something I provided to a similar question a few months ago

Unfortunately I am going to be little help comparing the dCS units with current other digital contenders. I did compare the Vivaldi stack to the MSB flagship over 5 years ago when I bought the Vivaldi and the Rossini to ARC and Linn when I bought it....and I felt like the dCS units provided a more natural presentation with more resolution, a wider and deeper soundstage along with a more three dimensional picture of the individual performers. I have literally never heard anything better than the Vivaldi and it has gotten better over the years. I primarily listen to ripped CD's, high rez PCM and DSD downloads along with Tidal - initially using the Vivaldi app but more recently using Roon. I do not have Roon do any processing and let the upsampler handle the DXD upsampling or DSD passthrough into the DAC.

With respect to the Vivaldi vs the Rossini. I have them in two different systems so my comparison is not completely apples/apples. However, I am comfortable in saying the Vivaldi DAC/clock/upsampler is quite a bit better. primarily in those areas I discuss above. but it is more like 20-25% better for 3X the cost when you include all of the cabling. And in my study system which uses Wilson Alidas and Ayre VXR twenty/KX5 twenty components - I am not sure that the Vivaldi's superiority would even completely come through so the Rossini/clock is a good match for that system. And I do believe the clock on both systems makes a huge difference is timing which comes through as pace and rhythm.

if I were to put a new system in the study - I would consider the Vivaldi One - which has the Rossini upsampler but Vivaldi DAC (and comes in about 15-20k cheaper than the Vivaldi stack sans transport + cables) or to be even more frugal since I don't use a transport much - the network bridge and Vivaldi Dac and Rossini clock combo is an option to consider Especially if you get a good dedicated NUC to play roon. I find using Roon to upsample to the Rossini does sound better than using the Rossini upsampler and the Vivalidi DAC is superior. So the bridge receiving upsampled data and passing through to the Vivaldi DAC with Rossini clock could be the best value/performance combo out there

I may actually switch to that from the Rossini but want to have dealer bring out to compare. The Rossini is really good so it may not be enough to switch

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Old 08-12-2017, 11:56 AM
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I haven't tried the dcs rossini yet at home, it's on my list for next year potentially. Esp if I can find a used one. I loved the sound of it at the dealer compared to others.

For the bridge, I would encourage folks to try a general network access point that has wired Ethernet. I get amazing results with my Google WiFi puck and running Ethernet to my component from there . Ymmv so be sure to measure.
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Old 08-13-2017, 08:15 AM
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I want from a Puccini to a Scarlatti stack ~4 years back. Now to Vivaldi. I've heard the Rossini at my dealer a few times. I can assure you, no regrets on moving up. None at all...enatai252 has good advice on the options...especially if you're not spinning a lot of discs...if you are the Rossini with cd drive is a great idea.


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Dear all,

already many thanks for you experiences. I will use the cd drive rossini, as I hava a lot of CD, especially coming from Japan most of time far better than European. I had the chance to listen the Rossini at home on four days. So yes, it is a huge step from Puccini, more musical, wider and deeper soundstage, it seems to get a HD soundstage.
My question was more focused on the facts I have the impression that members of AA are more interested in MBK or an Esoteric. So would a K01X better than a Rossini? I would to get a precise idea before changing.
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Just a shout out to Jim (stillone) who incorporated a dCS Rossini in his fabulous system recently & is NUC shopping. I'm sure he's read this thread -- nice move Sir.

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Dear all,

already many thanks for you experiences. I will use the cd drive rossini, as I hava a lot of CD, especially coming from Japan most of time far better than European. I had the chance to listen the Rossini at home on four days. So yes, it is a huge step from Puccini, more musical, wider and deeper soundstage, it seems to get a HD soundstage.
My question was more focused on the facts I have the impression that members of AA are more interested in MBK or an Esoteric. So would a K01X better than a Rossini? I would to get a precise idea before changing.
I am very happy with my choice of the Rossini. I have not had the K01x nor a Grandioso in my set-up so I cannot comment. I am sure these are excellent units and attract many supporters. If they were currently MQA ready I might have considered them for a audition.

I have had the K01 and D03/P03 plus clock in my set-up and neither bettered the 808v6 except in industrial design. The MSB IV did challenge the Meridian but in the end the additional cost for that set-up was a bit much and the industrial design was not for me. The MSB Select II is amazing but there is no way I will pay close to $100k for a DAC.

I will wait a bit before I add the clock to my set-up and also might try the Vivaldi plus Bridge to see how it compares in my room to the Rossini.

I can tell you that you will be happy whether you choose the Rossini or a K01x.
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