C-2120 or C2420

[robhifi]

Originally Posted by Mattia

My personal view:

I am a big advocate of active room correction (and passive), and I think that one should think to upgrade preamp, poweramp, sources, etc. only when it has a DG unit in the chain (to stay in Accuphase camp).

I think that compared to the difference a DG makes, other upgrades gives merely nuanced improvements. Often one has +15dB in some region, -10dB in others, channel unbalance due to asymmetric room, etc..
Better gear won't solve those BIG and common problems.

I also think that a chain with say a E-450 and a DG-58 will sound better than one that has a C-3850 and two A-200, but stays uncorrected (ok, this one is a bold one ).

Basically agree,although dg58 is such an expensive piece of kit and it would be hard to imagine anyone would use it with an intergrated amp

[Barsur]

Originally Posted by Sniper17

I have a E-460 which I used as a Integrated. Just recently procured a Stereo Amp . Now I am using the E-460 as a line Stage. Has anyone did any comparison between these line stages, 2120 vs 2420? E-460 as a line stage is pretty good, but i do know the 2120 or 2420 should be a lot better. Comments?

With my son I audited Accuphase C2120, 2420, 2820 and 3800. We couldn´t hear no diiference at all. All preamps sounded "perfect" for us.
At the end I bought the C2420 because I have the AD290 phono board which you cannot install in the C2120.

The C2120 should be perfect for you and a subtle improvement over your E-460.

Best regards

Martin

[jororupp]

With my son I audited Accuphase C2120, 2420, 2820 and 3800. We couldn´t hear no diiference at all. All preamps sounded "perfect" for us.

To justify the price range of these pre amps Accuphase makes sure that there are audible differences between them. But it needs test conditions which allow to detect the differences.
My C-2120 needs a while of warming up, to sound at its best. When I turn it off and on again, it sounds different at the beginning as just a minute before. That makes comparisons a problem.

[robhifi]

Originally Posted by Barsur

With my son I audited Accuphase C2120, 2420, 2820 and 3800. We couldn´t hear no diiference at all. All preamps sounded "perfect" for us.
At the end I bought the C2420 because I have the AD290 phono board which you cannot install in the C2120.

The C2120 should be perfect for you and a subtle improvement over your E-460.

Best regards

Martin

I own 2420 too.
May I ask, during the audition of these 4 preamps, what amp and speaker were used?

[Barsur]

Originally Posted by robhifi

I own 2420 too.
May I ask, during the audition of these 4 preamps, what amp and speaker were used?

I used my Accuphase A70; Accuphase DP 510 and Magico S1.
You can see photos here:

Photos - www.amp-shootout.com

Best regards

Martin

[robhifi]

Originally Posted by Barsur

I used my Accuphase A70; Accuphase DP 510 and Magico S1.
You can see photos here:

Photos - www.amp-shootout.com

Best regards

Martin

I had a good look at it and such a great shootout!
Since you live in Germany, why no german amps? Audionet? MBL?

[paul1]

Originally Posted by Barsur

With my son I audited Accuphase C2120, 2420, 2820 and 3800. We couldn´t hear no diiference at all. All preamps sounded "perfect" for us. At the end I bought the C2420 because I have the AD290 phono board which you cannot install in the C2120. The C2120 should be perfect for you and a subtle improvement over your E-460. Best regards Martin

So if you could not hear a difference I could use my E 470 as a pre to a p6200 because there no difference Evan between the pre?? What you think

[paul1]

Originally Posted by paul1

So if you could not hear a difference I could use my E 470 as a pre to a p6200 because there no difference Evan between the pre?? What you think

I check the price you say there's no diff emcee between a $7000.00 pre and a $30000.00 dollar pre wow!!!

[Barsur]

Originally Posted by paul1

So if you could not hear a difference I could use my E 470 as a pre to a p6200 because there no difference Evan between the pre?? What you think

In the blind test which we did, I could hear no differences between C2120,2420,2820 and 3800. My son, who has better ears than I, had following results between C2420 and C3800: From ten comparisons (always ca. 5 minutes), 6 times he couldn´t find a difference, 3 times he thought that the C3800 was better and once he thought the C2420 was better. Ofcourse statisticly this result (3 times out of 10 for the C3800) is almost irrelavant.

I can´t judge the E470 because I never compared this amp at my house. What I can tell you, that there is a subtle improvement when you hear the combo C2420/A70 against E560 and a bigger improvement when you compare it against E406V. These amps we audited.

I hope you are now not to upset, but a lot of people came now to our lasts blind tests and people are always shocked how small and subtle are the differences between the amps. Most of the time, they can hear no differences at all.
And it is always the same, if the people and guests know which amp is playing, the difference seems to them great and clear. When they listen to the amps blinded, than the people are shocked, that there is almost no differences at all.

You can hear bigger differences between speakers or different locations (rooms).

Best regards

Martin

[Barsur]

Originally Posted by robhifi

I had a good look at it and such a great shootout!
Since you live in Germany, why no german amps? Audionet? MBL?

Oh, I have ofcourse some german amps. But at the beginning of a blind test the guests will decide with which amps we do our blind test session. So far only once one (Telefunken TA 750) of my german amps could convince my guests to share our session.

Best regards

Martin