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Old 02-17-2015, 01:27 PM
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Default Point to Point corrective cabling: external and internal wiring

There is much debate over purchasing high-end wiring external cabling that connects your audio components. But what about the inside component wiring?

To truly maximize the value of your cable investment, is it also logical then to send your equipment out to have the internal component wiring also remediated to a similar or exceeding level of your component to component cabling?

The Upgrade Company states the following concerning the wiring within your components:

"Cheap parts & wiring, lack of any internal shielding, attenuation or dampening of radio frequency & electromagnetic radiation. Naked wiring, naked parts, naked circuit boards. All metal attracts & collects radio frequencies ruining performance in all brands of Hi-Fi & Video."

The question, if the above quote is true and that the wiring within your hardware per The Upgrade Company is so underwhelming, does this diminish 'SOME OF [not all]' the effectiveness of your costly component to component cabling?

If the wiring is critical, then would not manufacture such as McIntosh have implemented these best practices?

The Upgrade Company, search Google/Duck Duck Go online and learn more about their compelling arguments for the need upgrade.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:37 PM
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David.......The Upgrade Company's claims are smoke and mirrors. Don't waste your time or money with this company. Do a Google search on them and read some of the crap they have done. McIntosh won't repair a McIntosh component that has had any work done by the Upgrade Company. They won't touch it, nor will they sell any parts to them. That should be all you need to know about this company.

You can be certain I would never let some hack with a soldering iron and stick-on shielding do anything to any of my components. If they are so concerned about RF perhaps they should be manufacturing Faraday cages built into racks to shield our components. Don't waste your time or money with this foolishness.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:37 PM
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Everything matters, and you can tweak everything. The question is how far do you want to go.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:45 PM
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Everything matters, and you can tweak everything. The question is how far do you want to go.
Bud.......Something else to remember, a tweak does not necessarily create an improvement. Different? Yes. Improvement? Who knows. That's not to say many tweaks do not create improved performance but there are a plethora of tweaks that will merely separate you from your money and may even negatively affect performance. Caveat emptor.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:58 PM
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@Dan. I agree. A bit unnerving to have some company rip-apart your multi thousand dollar component(s) and then void your warranty to boot! My thought is that, for example, McIntosh is a fan of having outside companies do work for them. If tweaks are so invaluable, perhaps McIntosh would have either being performing these improvements in-house or contracted it out.

In any case, your points are spot on and sobering
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Bud.......Something else to remember, a tweak does not necessarily create an improvement. Different? Yes. Improvement? Who knows. That's not to say many tweaks do not create improved performance but there are a plethora of tweaks that will merely separate you from your money and may even negatively affect performance. Caveat emptor.


I always proceed with caution with tweaks. Like you said, a large majority are just smokes and mirrors.

Stick to tried and true method, there are already so many things you can do before getting into the esoteric stuff.
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Quite a departure from an Ethernet cable...

But, on a different note, which one Dan can certainly expand on - but doesn't Ohm's Law come into play with the internal componentry?
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Quite a departure from an Ethernet cable...

But, on a different note, which one Dan can certainly expand on - but doesn't Ohm's Law come into play with the internal componentry?
Nonsense, audiophiles hearing supercedes ohms law.
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Old 02-17-2015, 03:51 PM
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E.......Everything related to resistance, current and voltage comes into play on any electronic circuit. Change one thing and it impacts everything else. As Ohm's Law states, current flow across two points is directly proportional to the potential difference across the two points. The path of least resistance is where current will travel.

Here's a couple photos, one Before and a couple After photos of one of their "upgrades". Notice the addition of ferrite cores and foil wrapped around the cable harnesses and ribbon cables and the little stick on shields on top of a couple capacitors. Notice also that the factory ferrite core on the incoming power wires was removed and replaced with a much smaller clamp-on ferrite core at the end of the harness. What a hack job on this Marantz player. The foil looks like the same sticky-back foil tape used to seal air conditioning duct work seams. I wouldn't let The Upgrade Company replace a resistor for me.



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Bud.......Something else to remember, a tweak does not necessarily create an improvement. Different? Yes. Improvement? Who knows. That's not to say many tweaks do not create improved performance but there are a plethora of tweaks that will merely separate you from your money and may even negatively affect performance. Caveat emptor.
True. That is why I will (never say never) most likely never worry about internal wiring, and other tweaks of that nature. I have achieved more than enough of an improvement by adding seperate power lines, cleaning up the power, upgrading all the external cables, and adding vibration control. Now I just listen to music, and don't worry if it can be made better (or different).
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