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Old 02-01-2017, 10:07 PM
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I have decided to ship the reference motor and pulley back to Mike at Musical Surroundings for a check out and repair. The motor is a Reference model which was a step up from the standard Solution motor, and is dated 02/02 so it made sense to me to have it gone over and ensure it is in proper condition. I have the RA and will ship it back in the next day or two. I have inserted the TD125MkII/Magnapan Unitrac1 table as a stand in. Not shabby, but not the same.
Jim.......Thanks for the update. I was hoping it was going to be a simple and easy fix. Keep us posted.
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Old 02-02-2017, 08:23 PM
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Will do! It is packed for war conditions and on it's way to Mike at Musical Surroundings. He assured me they can take care of the issue, and it would not have to head to Europe for repairs/resolution! I sure hope so. :^(
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BTW: The Thorens TD125 MKII/ Magnapan Unitrac1/Dynavector 17D2mr combination is filling in nicely.
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Will do! It is packed for war conditions and on it's way to Mike at Musical Surroundings. He assured me they can take care of the issue, and it would not have to head to Europe for repairs/resolution! I sure hope so. :^(
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BTW: The Thorens TD125 MKII/ Magnapan Unitrac1/Dynavector 17D2mr combination is filling in nicely.
Jim.......It's good you have a reliable turntable as a standby.
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Old 02-21-2017, 06:43 PM
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I just got off the phone with Mike Fajen at Musical Suroundings and they found the motor tests dead on speed stability wise. The very faint ticking noise is a bit annoying, but is it worth the 12 week trip to Germany? They are going to clean and lube the motor and try a new pulley to see if it quiets the faint ticking noise that I think is coming from the pulley as I could not hear it when holding a stethoscope up to the 11lb. motor. I also could not detect the noise when using the same method on either arm board. Both arm boards are the upgraded cast alloy ones not the acrylic ones.

So it comes down to possibly putting up with a small annoyance if the clean, lube and new pulley does not correct the problem. The other option is sending it back to Germany not knowing the cost of repair till after it is in their possession, not to mention the 12 weeks+ shipping costs.

I'm leaning on not sending it back as I could sell the table and upgrade to a Clearaudio Innovation table that would accept my arm boards and arms, or move to another table. I really do like the ClearAudio table and that I can run two arms on it, one stereo, and one 12" mono. Decisions Decisions Decisions!

I want to shout out to Mike Fajen at Musical Surroundings who has been great to work with, and open to conversation about the issue. He has also been very fair in his options and service cost estimates and pricing. Goes a long way in confidence in the products the represent.

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Jim
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Old 02-21-2017, 07:33 PM
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Jim.......Does Mike hear the ticking noise?
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Old 02-21-2017, 08:09 PM
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Yes he does, but like me only when the platter is being driven by the pulley. The pulley is made of Delrin I believe with 3 Delrin screws to tighten it.
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Main Rig > Audio Research LS16 MkII - MS Phonomena II, ifI Iphono2, DIY AD797, Acurus A200(2) (Bass panels, and Subs), Quicksilver M60 MonoBlocks (EL34L Blue bottle) (midrange panels) Quicksilver Mini Mono Blocks (Svetlana EL34) (Ribbons) Beringer DCX2496 (analog outputs/power supply upgrades by Selectronic of France) -NHT X1 Crossovers, Clearaudio Solution w/Master Solution upgrades/ClearAudio Verify CF/Dynavector 17D2mr/ Jelco 750L/Audio Technica AT33Mono Limited Edition, Thorens TD125 MkII/Magnapan Unitrac1/Ortofon MC20Super, Sony SCD-XA5400ES SACD, Teac A4300 R2R, Maple Framed Magnepan MGIIIa(tri-amped), NHT W2 Sub(2)
Vintage > Yamaha C70 preamp, Acurus A200, Thorens TD160/Cruise Control 2.0/Project 9cc/Ebony body Denon DL103 w/sapphire cantilever/ML stylus, Marantz SA8003 SACD, Yamaha NS690 MkI
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Old 02-22-2017, 04:57 PM
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The motor is on it's way back to me after a cleaning and lubrication at a very reasonable cost including shipping back. The noise is 99% gone, and one needs to put their ear up to the motor to faintly hear it according to Mike. Will follow up upon it arrival and installation.
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Main Rig > Audio Research LS16 MkII - MS Phonomena II, ifI Iphono2, DIY AD797, Acurus A200(2) (Bass panels, and Subs), Quicksilver M60 MonoBlocks (EL34L Blue bottle) (midrange panels) Quicksilver Mini Mono Blocks (Svetlana EL34) (Ribbons) Beringer DCX2496 (analog outputs/power supply upgrades by Selectronic of France) -NHT X1 Crossovers, Clearaudio Solution w/Master Solution upgrades/ClearAudio Verify CF/Dynavector 17D2mr/ Jelco 750L/Audio Technica AT33Mono Limited Edition, Thorens TD125 MkII/Magnapan Unitrac1/Ortofon MC20Super, Sony SCD-XA5400ES SACD, Teac A4300 R2R, Maple Framed Magnepan MGIIIa(tri-amped), NHT W2 Sub(2)
Vintage > Yamaha C70 preamp, Acurus A200, Thorens TD160/Cruise Control 2.0/Project 9cc/Ebony body Denon DL103 w/sapphire cantilever/ML stylus, Marantz SA8003 SACD, Yamaha NS690 MkI
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Old 02-22-2017, 10:33 PM
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Jim.......So my take away is the ticking noise is in the motor and not in the Delrin pulley, is that right? Was a new pulley installed along with the lube job?
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:40 AM
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Mike said there was quite an amount of residue in the lower bearing of the motor, and he did not think it was in the pulley. This reference motor has some age on it so a cleaning and lubrication made a lot of sense. He said the replacement of the pulley at a cost of $150 would not gain a reward. He did take the shaft measurement and has it on file should I decide to get a new pulley which would have to be ordered from Germany as my pulley is a six step pulley 3 for 33rpm and 3 for 45rpm. We shall see when the motor arrives. My Solution Table has the upgraded Ceramic Magnetic Bearing and the thicker Master Solution Platter, which is why the motor was upgraded to the Reference model as well.
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Main Rig > Audio Research LS16 MkII - MS Phonomena II, ifI Iphono2, DIY AD797, Acurus A200(2) (Bass panels, and Subs), Quicksilver M60 MonoBlocks (EL34L Blue bottle) (midrange panels) Quicksilver Mini Mono Blocks (Svetlana EL34) (Ribbons) Beringer DCX2496 (analog outputs/power supply upgrades by Selectronic of France) -NHT X1 Crossovers, Clearaudio Solution w/Master Solution upgrades/ClearAudio Verify CF/Dynavector 17D2mr/ Jelco 750L/Audio Technica AT33Mono Limited Edition, Thorens TD125 MkII/Magnapan Unitrac1/Ortofon MC20Super, Sony SCD-XA5400ES SACD, Teac A4300 R2R, Maple Framed Magnepan MGIIIa(tri-amped), NHT W2 Sub(2)
Vintage > Yamaha C70 preamp, Acurus A200, Thorens TD160/Cruise Control 2.0/Project 9cc/Ebony body Denon DL103 w/sapphire cantilever/ML stylus, Marantz SA8003 SACD, Yamaha NS690 MkI
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Old 02-23-2017, 10:28 AM
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Jim.......I have my fingers crossed for you, hoping this solution with make you happy.
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