Kt120 substitution into pr 12 amps.

[Marco1]

Originally Posted by Joe Appierto

Hi Stephen,

I've never tried the Ediswan 6922 for some reason that escapes me, thank you for the recommendation. I'll order one and try it in the Pr. 140 as the input tube.

One drawback to the 16LS2 is the fact that you can't evenly load different tube types since there are three of them per channel. Do you find that the Genalex Gold Lion 6922s add some sparkle up top to the orange label Amperex 7308s? Also I was curious as to whether you've found a differernce if you go V1 Amperex, V2 Gold Lion (same for V3 and V4) versus V1 Gold Lion, V2 Amperex (ditto for V3 and V4)?

Thanks,

Hello, new member here. Just happened to notice this thread and also interested in how the Gold Lions compare to Orange Globe. I have the 16LS2 as well. Just went back to EH after my Orange Globes expired. Thinking of trying the Gold Lions.

thanks, Mark

[Marco1]

Back again Also have the 12's XS and looking for recommendations for the driver and input tubes.

Great site...glad I found it.

Thanks, Mark

[Joe Appierto]

Originally Posted by Marco1

Hello, new member here. Just happened to notice this thread and also interested in how the Gold Lions compare to Orange Globe. I have the 16LS2 as well. Just went back to EH after my Orange Globes expired. Thinking of trying the Gold Lions.

thanks, Mark

Hi Mark,

I never did try the Orange Globe Amperex in my 16LS2 so I'm not sure how they'd compare. Generally speaking though, you'd never confuse the sound of an Amperex (any type or color) for one of the Russian tubes in this family. Of current production, I found I preferred the Gold Lion 6922's to the 6922EH but it's always system dependent and comes down to a matter of taste.

Regards,

[Marco1]

Originally Posted by Joe Appierto

Hi Mark,

I never did try the Orange Globe Amperex in my 16LS2 so I'm not sure how they'd compare. Generally speaking though, you'd never confuse the sound of an Amperex (any type or color) for one of the Russian tubes in this family. Of current production, I found I preferred the Gold Lion 6922's to the 6922EH but it's always system dependent and comes down to a matter of taste.

Regards,

Thanks Joe. No question, you won't confuse the Russians with Amperex. The EH are just a spare set I have to use in the meantime. What also prompted the question was an Ebay ad I saw for Gold Lion tube replacement sets for CJ equip. Prices seemed pretty good as well. In addition to the Premier 16, they also had sets for the Premier 15 that I was considering.

I'd love to find some Amperex's for both pieces but finding good NOS anything these days is becoming too much for my wallet to bear.

[Joe Appierto]

Originally Posted by Marco1

Thanks Joe. No question, you won't confuse the Russians with Amperex. The EH are just a spare set I have to use in the meantime. What also prompted the question was an Ebay ad I saw for Gold Lion tube replacement sets for CJ equip. Prices seemed pretty good as well. In addition to the Premier 16, they also had sets for the Premier 15 that I was considering.

I'd love to find some Amperex's for both pieces but finding good NOS anything these days is becoming too much for my wallet to bear.

You're welcome, Mark. I took a look on Ebay and think I saw the set for the 16LS you're referring to. That does seem like a good price. You'd have to spend about twice that for NOS Amperex Bugle Boy 6DJ8 or 7308 both of which I thought sounded excellent in the 16LS2. If you could stretch your budget, the Telefunken PCC88 (made by Siemens) were outstanding in the same application, in my opinion. They're going for $65 apiece in the Gold grade which is what I'd got. Just a thought.

[aldinohiend]

I've never used the KT 120 on Premier 140 but technical experts told me that probably will stay disappointed as the final, which is set for 6550, not heated properly resulting in hard sound and free of harmonics. Among other things, the 6550 Tung-Sol reissue for what they cost and how they sound, to me is the best between the valves of new production.
As regards the Premier 16, I suggest you avoid the ECC88/6DJ8, the PCC88/7DJ8, the 6N23P (including 6922 Genalex Gold Lion). Among the E88CC/6922, after having tried many, I suggest the Philips E88CC SQ gold pins. In my opinion, is the best valve for the Premier 16 and Premier 17.

[Marco1]

Originally Posted by Joe Appierto

You're welcome, Mark. I took a look on Ebay and think I saw the set for the 16LS you're referring to. That does seem like a good price. You'd have to spend about twice that for NOS Amperex Bugle Boy 6DJ8 or 7308 both of which I thought sounded excellent in the 16LS2. If you could stretch your budget, the Telefunken PCC88 (made by Siemens) were outstanding in the same application, in my opinion. They're going for $65 apiece in the Gold grade which is what I'd got. Just a thought.

Originally Posted by aldinohiend

I've never used the KT 120 on Premier 140 but technical experts told me that probably will stay disappointed as the final, which is set for 6550, not heated properly resulting in hard sound and free of harmonics. Among other things, the 6550 Tung-Sol reissue for what they cost and how they sound, to me is the best between the valves of new production.
As regards the Premier 16, I suggest you avoid the ECC88/6DJ8, the PCC88/7DJ8, the 6N23P (including 6922 Genalex Gold Lion). Among the E88CC/6922, after having tried many, I suggest the Philips E88CC SQ gold pins. In my opinion, is the best valve for the Premier 16 and Premier 17.

Thanks to you both.

Joe, I ran Siemens in a CT6 and prefered the Amperex. Thinking the PCC88 Tele's will probably be closer to the Siemens than Amperex. I assume you purchased them from Upscale who describes them as having "smooth highs that maintain extension without being bright, with great detail and texture in the mids". So maybe they do lean more in the Amperex direction. What do you think?

Aldinohiend, love to find some Philips in my price range. I've been through quite a few NOS tubes in various pieces of equipment as well and found it's always a crap shoot how long they will stay quiet. That's why I was questioning the new production tubes.

[Joe Appierto]

Originally Posted by Marco1

Thanks to you both.

Joe, I ran Siemens in a CT6 and prefered the Amperex. Thinking the PCC88 Tele's will probably be closer to the Siemens than Amperex. I assume you purchased them from Upscale who describes them as having "smooth highs that maintain extension without being bright, with great detail and texture in the mids". So maybe they do lean more in the Amperex direction. What do you think?

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Mark,

The short answer is yes, in my opinion, they do lean more to the Amperex side of the continuum. I've tried Siemens 6DJ8, CCa, plain 6922, and 7308 tubes in my c-j gear and I've found them to be accurate, detailed and well-balanced across the frequency range. And I can see why they're so popular but for whatever reason, they always left me feeling a little uninvolved with the music.

TFK tubes in the 6DJ8/7DJ8/6922 groups had the virtues of the Siemens but seemed a little bit warmer to me and were my preference of the two brands.

Interestingly, in the applications I used them and to my ears, The TFK-branded PCC88/7DJ8 tubes made by Siemens that I got from Upscale sound more like TFK to me and I really liked them.

If you want to read more about what I thought of the TFK (Siemens) PCC88 versus "real" TFK PCC88 tubes, see the link below. It also includes a good number of photos.

Telefunken and Telefunken-Branded Siemens Tubes, Part 2 | JDA1951 on Xanga

Bottom line, I thought the TFK (Siemens) PCC88 were worth it. Hope this helps.

[Marco1]

Originally Posted by Joe Appierto

Mark,

The short answer is yes, in my opinion, they do lean more to the Amperex side of the continuum. I've tried Siemens 6DJ8, CCa, plain 6922, and 7308 tubes in my c-j gear and I've found them to be accurate, detailed and well-balanced across the frequency range. And I can see why they're so popular but for whatever reason, they always left me feeling a little uninvolved with the music.

TFK tubes in the 6DJ8/7DJ8/6922 groups had the virtues of the Siemens but seemed a little bit warmer to me and were my preference of the two brands.

Interestingly, in the applications I used them and to my ears, The TFK-branded PCC88/7DJ8 tubes made by Siemens that I got from Upscale sound more like TFK to me and I really liked them.

If you want to read more about what I thought of the TFK (Siemens) PCC88 versus "real" TFK PCC88 tubes, see the link below. It also includes a good number of photos.

Telefunken and Telefunken-Branded Siemens Tubes, Part 2 | JDA1951 on Xanga

Bottom line, I thought the TFK (Siemens) PCC88 were worth it. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the link Joe. Very nice write-up. I just may try a set of the Tele's.

Regards, Mark