Replaced Factory Speaker Jumpers

[jdandy]

Originally Posted by 2uberoller

:screwy: I think you heard what you wanted to hear.

David.......Feel free to grasp hold of whichever straw that looks like it will support all your learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts. I can agree with you on one point. Yes, I hear.

[1KW]

Originally Posted by jdandy

David.......Feel free to grasp hold of whichever straw that looks like it will support all your learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts. I can agree with you on one point. Yes, I hear.

huh?

[jdandy]

Originally Posted by 2uberoller

huh?

David.......Clarification: You are entitled to your opinion, even when I consider it less than an educated guess.

[Still-One]

Originally Posted by jdandy

Jim.......In the past, I have tried bi-wiring, and even tri-wiring speakers, and have never experienced any sonic advantage for the work and expense.

My right channel speaker requires 38' of cable from the amp to the speaker. I use equal lengths for both speakers even though my left channel speaker is within four feet of the amp. Both wires leave the amp, go through a wall plate, up into the attic, then back down again behind their respective speakers. The guage of 8TC is more than adequate for this distance. The braided technique Ray Kimber employs makes the cable almost completely immune to RFI and EMI, so I pickup no noise in the cable runs, even being in the attic and near electrical circuit cables there.

Even if I were a proponent of bi-wire, another 76' of Kimber 8TC (L + R) isn't cheap. If it was absolute that bi-wire or tri-wire produced better sound, the cost wouldn't be a consideration, but to bi-wire for some mythical gain does not interest me. Bi-wiring, and tri-wiring is a cable manufacturer's and dealer's dream come true. They sell more high-dollar wire. The dealer convinces a customer that audible gains can be had without more ultra high priced gear. Sort of like a poor man's bi-amping without the active crossover and additional amps. I have seen dealers use this approach to sell bi-wiring, and always find it amusing, if not bordering on unscrupulously taking advantage of the less experienced audio enthusiasts.
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Dan
The number of options for for bi or tri wiring speakers is only exceeded by the number opinions regarding the benefits of same.

So much depends on the speakers. Some speakers benefit from shotgun bi-wiring where you can use different gage or different types of wire for woofers and tweeters.

Keeping the length of your speaker wires even is the right thing to do, but would it be better to get the 501's closer to your speakers using shorter wire with longer interconnects? There is some disagreement as to which method is preferable. Interconnects are usually less expensive than speaker wire.

An interesting note. Transparent only makes bi-wire cables up thru their Reference level. Reference XL , Reference MM2 and Opus only comes in single wire.

I cannot tell you whether I hear any definite benefit with bi-wires, but the manufacturers of my last several speakers all recommend bi-wiring.
Jim

[jdandy]

Jim.......I have I bi-wired several different speakers through the years. The last ones were a pair of Definitive Technologies BP2000 speakers, where I was able to send a preamp line level output to the internal sub amps, plus bi-wire the mids and tweets. Back and forth I went trying to hear a difference, but none was heard. Ultimately, with the BP2000's, I left the sub amps fed with line level signals from the preamp, and strapped the mids and tweets.

I understand that system, and speaker synergy is at play here, and some speaker designs may benefit from bi-wiring. It just hasn't been my experience that audible improvemnets were there.

I have read several different engineering papers on bi-wiring, and the effects that can happen when different cable capacitance enters the equation. There are many variables to consider and understand in order to take full advantage of the concept. It is an intersting subject.

[Pyro]

Way to go Dan.

[1KW]

Originally Posted by jdandy

David.......Clarification: You are entitled to your opinion, even when I consider it less than an educated guess.

:smileysex:

[Levi]

Excellent tweak! Now I need some Kimber kables.

[jdandy]

Levi.......I didn't know you found us. Welcome.

The Kimber 8TC speaker cable is still a sleeper in the market place, as far as price is concerned. the 8TC has been well reviewed, and praised. A 10' pair terminated with banana plugs is still under $500. That's a bargain.

['cisco]

Thanks lyle and Dan on this little tweak. I'll have to give it a try..... but I sure don't want to cut a couple of pieces from my existing 8TC

I'll try it out on some rat shack 16 ga I have here.