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Old 08-10-2017, 07:42 PM
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Except for the fact that there aren't really any 20khz frequencies in our music. So it would take a little longer... Maybe 10 minutes [emoji48]
I was giving this some thought regarding metal materials science, and came to the conclusiion that a metal (beryllium) driver like a tweeter needs no break-in because because it is a metal connection and as long as the driver isn't forcing the metal to flex beyond its elastic limit on a stress/strain curve (the tweeter would break if it did if the voice coil didn't self destruct first), the flexibility/resiliency of the beryllium metal would be the same almost forever.

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Not as high-end as many here, but I believe it is possible that cables, as with gear, can change over time. I experienced it.

I replaced some Kimber Hero IC with Transparent Plus a while back. Playing one of my go-to tracks, it didn't sound much different than the Hero. I thought, "leave it for a while." The following week I played the same track, and the sound was different. It was smoother on the top end. And the detail was still there, plus a wee bit more. There weren't that many hours on the Plus; I'd guesstimate ten.

Maybe "break-in" is the wrong term from a technical standpoint? Anyway, while I don't discount science, I also am persuaded science doesn't/can't explain everything. There is theory and there is reality, and the two are sometimes at odds. There must be some objective process occurring to explain what happened in my case and that of many others. Perhaps there's simply no measurement or test for it, at least not yet.

Not feeling well today, but I hope the above is coherent enough.
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:49 PM
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There is theory and there is reality, and the two are sometimes at odds.
One could say the same if you paired perception with either of those.
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Not as high-end as many here, but I believe it is possible that cables, as with gear, can change over time. I experienced it.

I replaced some Kimber Hero IC with Transparent Plus a while back. Playing one of my go-to tracks, it didn't sound much different than the Hero. I thought, "leave it for a while." The following week I played the same track, and the sound was different. It was smoother on the top end. And the detail was still there, plus a wee bit more. There weren't that many hours on the Plus; I'd guesstimate ten.

Maybe "break-in" is the wrong term from a technical standpoint? Anyway, while I don't discount science, I also am persuaded science doesn't/can't explain everything. There is theory and there is reality, and the two are sometimes at odds. There must be some objective process occurring to explain what happened in my case and that of many others. Perhaps there's simply no measurement or test for it, at least not yet.

Not feeling well today, but I hope the above is coherent enough.
I often wonder if hearing is similar to taste. Think about it when it comes to wine. Does aeration work? Does what you eat or drink earlier affect the taste? Does your mood affect the taste? Time of day? Temperature? Company? Etc...

For me, wine can taste different depending on all these factors and more.

Maybe our appreciation for audio is impacted by 20 other things we aren't even aware of! That could explain a bit of this phenomenon.
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Old 08-11-2017, 07:40 PM
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Default and so on.. and so on.. and so on..

John: Hey Tom, ...I just got me this terrific amp you want to listen to it?

Tom: Ohhhh cool John, sounds great, but it would really shine if you had better speakers.. you know?..

Right..
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John: Hey Tom, I just got some great speakers to go with my new amp... it's outstanding.

Tom: Yep you're right John.. it's damn good, but you're system really would shine if you had a better CD player..

Right!..s
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John: Dude, I just got this real cool CD player, my system is now perfect!!..

Tom... Oh wow that is such an improvement.. but you really need to get some better cables..

Right you are...
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John: Hey Tom I need to tell you, you were so right about the cables.. such a difference.

Tom: Right John, these do make a difference.... You know now, you know to work on your room acoustics.. and speaker placement.. that would really set the stage..

Right..

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I often wonder if hearing is similar to taste. Think about it when it comes to wine. Does aeration work? Does what you eat or drink earlier affect the taste? Does your mood affect the taste? Time of day? Temperature? Company? Etc...

For me, wine can taste different depending on all these factors and more.

Maybe our appreciation for audio is impacted by 20 other things we aren't even aware of! That could explain a bit of this phenomenon.
Bingo !! ............ finally, an audiophile admitting that the 'mind' is at play here more than anything else !
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Bingo !! ............ finally, an audiophile admitting that the 'mind' is at play here more than anything else !
I'm just admitting that I'm open to the idea because I see parallels with other senses.
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