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Old 04-08-2020, 05:21 PM
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Thanks for all your replies.

I switched course a bit as I wanted to go full "Furutech" by starting with a GTX-D NCF(R) outlet so I installed this 2 days ago. I cannot say I have seen much improvement. I need to watch more familiar material to get an idea but right of the bat there are not significant differences that I can see. Right now, I am still using the stock power cord with the Shunyata Venom Defender and I was planning to buy the Furutech "The Odeon" power cable but I think the first idea is always the best idea so I will swap this I think and go with Shunyata as planned.

Instead of using the SR-Z1, I will try to get a CopperCONN outlet. I am a firm believer that an outlet can make a significant change in a system. I was browsing the Shunyata website today and noticed that the V14 and V14 Digital PC are no longer on the website. So in this case, the only Venom PC availables are the NR-V10 and V12. So I am leaning toward the V12 unless a V12 can improve things a bit more.

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Found the V14 series on the website. If clicking "View all Venom series", it does not show. If clicking "power cables", the menu is there.
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Old 04-08-2020, 06:28 PM
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Default Which power cord for my projector?

Video and audio are very different animals. Since this is primarily an audio oriented site, you should consider searching the AVS forum for more informed information on your question. You will likely find a thread for owners of a projector just like yours.

NO plug and play cord (regardless of price) can all of the sudden provide the perfect picture. That is a FACT.

If you want to truly improve your projector image, then the task involves getting into the settings of your projector and adjusting the settings of that projector. You are talking about playing around with gammas, tone mapping, etc. This is not a ‘I think it looks better’ or ‘it seems better’ kind of thing. There are specialists (calibrators) out there that do this for a living and can help you with that. They use industry-establishedTECHNICAL parameters to calibrate projectors and achieve the desired goals. They use scientifically verifiable and repeatable tests to calibrate projectors. Again, these are NOT touchy, feely, ‘I think’ subjective tests.

Instead of spending money on a power cord, you should check out that site and hire a calibrator that can tweak the settings in your projector to give you the best it can (using your existing cord!).

Here is the bottom line: There are WAY TOO many parameters in that affect the image in a projector/screen and NO power cable can fix all of them. Notice that I mentioned screen because your screen type and gain do play a role here too. And btw, I have owned projectors for over 20 years so I am not talking hearsay here.

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Old 04-08-2020, 06:40 PM
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Just for the heck of it I decided to try my black mamba HC-CX on my projector but unfortunately the plug is too large for the socket and the IEC plug cannot reach the bottom of the socket. So there are no chance than a regular Venom NR-V10 or 12, or any câble with a large plug would fit. Maybe then a used V14 Digital would be a better choice. Square 1.
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Shunyata sells a universal power adapter cable that might work for you. I know someone who uses an Alpha NR with the adaptor for his Devialet
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The Venom V12, V10 and the Delta can all be fitted with a connector we call the EF-C15. It was designed specifically for components that have obstructed or tightly spaced IEC inlets.
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The Venom V12, V10 and the Delta can all be fitted with a connector we call the EF-C15. It was designed specifically for components that have obstructed or tightly spaced IEC inlets.
Thank you Caelin for the precision. But even when fitted with that connector, it will still be an "NR" power cord, right?
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Video and audio are very different animals. Since this is primarily an audio oriented site, you should consider searching the AVS forum for more informed information on your question. You will likely find a thread for owners of a projector just like yours.

NO plug and play cord (regardless of price) can all of the sudden provide the perfect picture. That is a FACT.

If you want to truly improve your projector image, then the task involves getting into the settings of your projector and adjusting the settings of that projector. You are talking about playing around with gammas, tone mapping, etc. This is not a ‘I think it looks better’ or ‘it seems better’ kind of thing. There are specialists (calibrators) out there that do this for a living and can help you with that. They use industry-establishedTECHNICAL parameters to calibrate projectors and achieve the desired goals. They use scientifically verifiable and repeatable tests to calibrate projectors. Again, these are NOT touchy, feely, ‘I think’ subjective tests.

Instead of spending money on a power cord, you should check out that site and hire a calibrator that can tweak the settings in your projector to give you the best it can (using your existing cord!).

Here is the bottom line: There are WAY TOO many parameters in that affect the image in a projector/screen and NO power cable can fix all of them. Notice that I mentioned screen because your screen type and gain do play a role here too. And btw, I have owned projectors for over 20 years so I am not talking hearsay here.
You are absolutely correct. I was about to post about this just when I saw your post. Yes, the next thing I wanted to tackle was calibration. I know it is very important but before getting there, I wanted to maximize the potential of my device (although it is only 1080P, I want to be ready when I upgrade to 4K in the next two years) first by upgrading all the power sub-system.

Back in 2011 when I purchased my 1080P TV, I had it calibrated by a professional (ISF) and it made a tremendous difference. Still today even when 4K TV is no longer the best thing, I am still amazed at the picture quality of this TV (Samsung 55D6500).

Right now, my projector is set to "default" and the image is quite good. Something I did not mention is the fact that I replaced the cheapo HDMI cable between my source (Samsung 4K STB) and my Bryston BDA-3 DAC early in January for a Kimber HD29 and was astonished by the difference it made. Ever since HDMI cables came out, I always believed there would be no difference as it is "digital" (back to the Monster cable saga). But after having tried 3 different USB cables for my music listening (with surprisingly large difference in sound quality) I decided to try a good HDMI cable. So now I am in the process to upgrade my 10M long HDMI cable (from the wall to the projector) and also the HDMI cable from the output of the BDA-3 to the wall. As best as I can (and according to available funds), I try to leave no stone unturned.

Back to calibration, with the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic I don't plan to have anyone enter my house for a while. So in the meantime I think I will start with Disney WoW calibration disc. From what I read it's said to be quite good (if you pass the fact that it is Disney).

I am a registered user over AVS Forum but it's been an eternity I posted there. I will go have a look as it seems I am going down the rabbid hole..
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Shunyata sells a universal power adapter cable that might work for you. I know someone who uses an Alpha NR with the adaptor for his Devialet
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Okay, if the Venom V14 Digital looks likes the pictures (the IEC C13 connectors), then it will fit just fine.

So, here is the plan:

Shunyata CopperCONN outlet
Shunyata Venom V14 Digital
Shunyata Venom Defender

1, 2.. 3... Sold?
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Old 04-08-2020, 08:59 PM
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You are absolutely correct. I was about to post about this just when I saw your post. Yes, the next thing I wanted to tackle was calibration. I know it is very important but before getting there, I wanted to maximize the potential of my device (although it is only 1080P, I want to be ready when I upgrade to 4K in the next two years) first by upgrading all the power sub-system.



Back in 2011 when I purchased my 1080P TV, I had it calibrated by a professional (ISF) and it made a tremendous difference. Still today even when 4K TV is no longer the best thing, I am still amazed at the picture quality of this TV (Samsung 55D6500).



Right now, my projector is set to "default" and the image is quite good. Something I did not mention is the fact that I replaced the cheapo HDMI cable between my source (Samsung 4K STB) and my Bryston BDA-3 DAC early in January for a Kimber HD29 and was astonished by the difference it made. Ever since HDMI cables came out, I always believed there would be no difference as it is "digital" (back to the Monster cable saga). But after having tried 3 different USB cables for my music listening (with surprisingly large difference in sound quality) I decided to try a good HDMI cable. So now I am in the process to upgrade my 10M long HDMI cable (from the wall to the projector) and also the HDMI cable from the output of the BDA-3 to the wall. As best as I can (and according to available funds), I try to leave no stone unturned.



Back to calibration, with the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic I don't plan to have anyone enter my house for a while. So in the meantime I think I will start with Disney WoW calibration disc. From what I read it's said to be quite good (if you pass the fact that it is Disney).



I am a registered user over AVS Forum but it's been an eternity I posted there. I will go have a look as it seems I am going down the rabbid hole..

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Not meant to offend you or anybody. But you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. Save your money. Buy a real 4K projector and you will be WAY OFF better off than buying a high-price power cord. This is my last post on this thread. Good luck!
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