MAGICO S1 speakers ....

[jazzman]

Originally Posted by Orb

Jazzman,
are you saying that an 11inch woofer does not generate more bass energy/air pressure in general when compared to an 8inch version?

BTW I agree with your points in general but there is no getting away from the driver size; same goes with active subwoofers where in general for greater energy-bass one needs larger driver-cabinet.
And as you say there are also other complex variables; including port,sealed,isobarik, transmission line,etc.

Cheers
Orb

a 11inch can play louder without distortion than a 8 inch, because driver needs nearly half of the excursion for the same sound level. But how loud you play is determined by you, not by the speaker.... so for example if you are listening a piano performance you will not hear any difference. But if for example you are listening to a solo of electric bass (e.g., Marcus Miller), a smaller driver will not be able to generate enough energy to reproduce the real thing.
The reason why you need larger cabinet is the equation I mentioned which links speaker sensitivity, -3dB point and cabinet volume. the formula changes for a bass reflex speaker

I am personally not massing the V2 or the V3. S series is a major improvement.

[Orb]

Jazzman to me it is not just about dynamics-loudness but also low frequency energy/frequency response/reinforcement.
The point I was making involved comparing very similar drivers meaning same materials, magnet system, voice coil and suspension - cannot be technically identical I know but very similar apart from size difference.

I think we are getting sideways here because the original context was having an upgrade from the S1 that still can be forgiving of some room size or critically ideal placement that is much more difficult with too large woofers (closest Magico example I guess would be V2 2.5way going to V3 3way).
In this context I think we will unfortunately find the only upgrade in this situation from S1 is a very large price leap to the Q1.
In reality a model is now missing, which would be a revised V2 and an upgrade to the S1 ,which potentially with the newer design would be ideal for those that need a bit of room placement-boundary forgiveness.
I appreciate the original V2 did need some work to fit in to smaller medium rooms, but at least it was possible unlike with the V3 from my experience (which IMO the S3 is probably closer to).

So for me, I would had liked a speaker that removed some of the technical challenges from a single mid-bass driver and still be able to work well in rooms between S1 and up to Q1.
Maybe there will be an S2 *shrugs", but I would had thought such a speaker would be required before looking at a downsized S5 (which the S3 seems to me).

Each has their own take I appreciate what should be between the S1 and Q1/S3 price points (or ideal room requirements).

Thanks
Orb

[Barsur]

Since one month I am proud owner of the Magico S1. Electronic is from Spectral Audio (15SS, DMA 200 Series 2, SDR 4000S). I have to say, that this is the smoothest, finest and most transparant sound I ever heard. Well done!

Best regards

Martin

PD: I would like to add photos but I don´t know how this works in this forum

[A.Wayne]

An 8 inch driver will not necessarily have less output than an 11inch driver , xmax , alone can make a difference ...

[Orb]

Originally Posted by A.Wayne

An 8 inch driver will not necessarily have less output than an 11inch driver , xmax , alone can make a difference ...

As I mentioned before though Wayne, I am talking similar driver spec (appreciate subtle differences such as voice coil depth-etc due to sizes) and not very different designs.
As you say you cannot compare different designs, but the context here is specifically only size difference not design-architecture (so as I said earlier same materials, magnet system, voice coil and suspension with subtle changes for the size variation) and the use of either 1 or 2 woofers.
Or even such as the V2 and V3 (moderately close designs).

The point was the dual woofer of the S3 will probably have performance much closer to the S5 rather than the S1, meaning looking at it from an ideal room perspective there is still a speaker model missing.
A new design of the V2 (2.5 way), in reality this would perform well in the less than ideal situations of some of the smaller medium rooms or where there is placement-listening distance constraints.
That said it clicked earlier on why the use of 2 woofers in the S3; for lower distortion/noise in the Magico design focus.
However I would had loved to be able to consider right now either an S1 or 2.5 way Magico model equivalent.

Cheers
Orb

[TOGA]

No grills for me please..

[Orb]

It looks ok with standard dark colours, although I must say we only tried them just to see what they were like and then stored them away.

Definitely painful with those gloss colours going by that photo.
Cheers
Orb

[CLEE]

Originally Posted by TOGA

No grills for me please..

+1. In Martin Collums review of the S5, he noted "relatively massive sound quality destruction with adding the grilles".

[willyjack]

Originally Posted by CLEE

+1. In Martin Collums review of the S5, he noted "relatively massive sound quality destruction with adding the grilles".

That's hyperbole in my book. Slight tampering with soundstage but not destruction.

[S1chen]

Originally Posted by Orb

As I mentioned before though Wayne, I am talking similar driver spec (appreciate subtle differences such as voice coil depth-etc due to sizes) and not very different designs.
As you say you cannot compare different designs, but the context here is specifically only size difference not design-architecture (so as I said earlier same materials, magnet system, voice coil and suspension with subtle changes for the size variation) and the use of either 1 or 2 woofers.
Or even such as the V2 and V3 (moderately close designs).

The point was the dual woofer of the S3 will probably have performance much closer to the S5 rather than the S1, meaning looking at it from an ideal room perspective there is still a speaker model missing.
A new design of the V2 (2.5 way), in reality this would perform well in the less than ideal situations of some of the smaller medium rooms or where there is placement-listening distance constraints.
That said it clicked earlier on why the use of 2 woofers in the S3; for lower distortion/noise in the Magico design focus.
However I would had loved to be able to consider right now either an S1 or 2.5 way Magico model equivalent.

Cheers
Orb

Not too sure your definition of a 2.5 way speaker. but this is what i know.

2 way - 1 tweeter and 1 mid woofer and cabinet volume make to the size need for the woofer Q response (Q1)

3 way - 1 tweeter, 1 midrange and 1 woofer, cabinet volume make to the size need for the woofer Q response (Q3, S5, S3)

2.5 way - 1 tweeter, 1 mid bass woofer, cabinet volume over size to tune the Q to very low. This is what the S1 is all about.