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Old 12-06-2019, 09:39 PM
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If you're not satisfied with the bass, before spending any money on subwoofers, I would get a good omnidirectional microphone, and run Room EQ Wizard (free), or another comparable room measuring program.
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Old 12-06-2019, 09:44 PM
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I should note that I noticed a big difference after adding the MEN220-

Room is a big factor for sure.



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If you're not satisfied with the bass, before spending any money on subwoofers, I would get a good omnidirectional microphone, and run Room EQ Wizard (free), or another comparable room measuring program.

Depending on your room, it can be difficult to get good bass response. If the base seems lacking, it is possible that the room is the culprit, not necessarily the speakers.

I am very happy with the bass of my 802 D3, some frequencies did seem a little lacking, so I ran Room EQ Wizard, and found I had a 20 db null at about 50 hz in my listening position. I did some strategic bass trapping, and now they sound even better than they did.

Most base problems are easily rectified with bass trapping, once identified. I would definitely suggest you check out realtraps.com, Ethan has some wonderful resources there about identifying and solving room mode problems, and his company also makes very good bass traps.
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Old 12-06-2019, 09:54 PM
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I should note that I noticed a big difference after adding the MEN220-

Room is a big factor for sure.
I got a MEN220 a couple months ago, it actually helped me to improve the sound in my room and I unexpectedly found it to be a really great learning tool.

It showed me how good my room could sound, so that sent me on a quest to try to fine tune everything so it sounds as good when not using the room correction, as it does when I use it.

So when I started, with 99% room knowledge, it was using about 20% to 25% room correction.

After diligently reading, testing, and tweaking, I now have it down to 9% correction with 99% room knowledge, so I find myself needing to use it less, simply because I don't need it as much.

Because of this, I was actually contemplating selling it, but I really like the unit, and it's just so damn hard to part with anything that says Macintosh on it, LOL.
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If set up correctly, a pair of 800 or 802 D series will provide bass down to 20Hz.

The main difference between 800 and 802 D2/D3 is the amount of SPL possible at very low frequencies, and to an extent the amount of distortion.

The newer D3 models have reduced distortion and a flatter response through the mid and upper bass.
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Old 12-08-2019, 11:25 PM
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I demoed a MEN220, and it improved my bass markedly. But it lost a bit on the high end, so I did not purchase. I agree with KaliKid's point--it's a great unit if you have a very compromised room, but as the room improves, it's value declines. Of course, you can get a lot of subwoofer (and even more bass trapping!) for $5K
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