The Shindo / Vinyl users thread

[gortnipper]

Originally Posted by omodo

beautiful system, and nice tonearm

Thanks. IMHO, it is a way better arm than the Schick it displaced.

How do you find the difference with the record weight?

[NeilNZ]

Looks like there are at least 3 Apparition users on here!

[gortnipper]

Originally Posted by NeilNZ

Looks like there are at least 3 Apparition users on here!

[baddog]

I have the following:

Turntable: Garrard 401, Lignolab Plinth, EMT 997 Tonearm, EMT TSD15 (Stereo) and EMT Mono cartridge, Shindo platter, matt and bearing.

SUT: A23 T2 SUT

Pre amp: Shindo Vosne-Romanee

Barr

[Cucumber_Jones]

For those of you wi shindo platters, bearings and mats - where did you get them. My understanding is that you can only buy the whole shindo 301 player system as a unit.

[pitch perfect]

Originally Posted by Cucumber_Jones

For those of you wi shindo platters, bearings and mats - where did you get them. My understanding is that you can only buy the whole shindo 301 player system as a unit.

Hi,

These precision components are available to my customers who have me build up a full LignoLab 301 or 401 Plinth/EMT 997 turntable system. Other than this, yes, it's only available with a full Shindo setup.

LignoLab:
Master Plan « pitch perfect audio


-Matt

[fjn04]

Hi Matt, I see the setup w/ a 301/401 plinth + Emt 997 is $11,490 US retail.
I also see that is without the actual 301/401. Does Keith generally have these tables, or does the customer provide their 301/401?

[Cucumber_Jones]

Originally Posted by pitchperfect

Hi,

These precision components are available to my customers who have me build up a full LignoLab 301 or 401 Plinth/EMT 997 turntable system. Other than this, yes, it's only available with a full Shindo setup.

LignoLab:
Master Plan « pitch perfect audio

-Matt

Thanks form your answer Matt - seems to me thought that many people have the platter and bearing but do not have the player system or the lingo/emt set up.

This is a general comment and not directed at you Matt as i have the upmost respect for you. I have bought my preamp, amp, speakers and cables directly from shindo dealers. It seems off to me that the only way that I can upgrade my garrard is by tied selling of the emt/ligno parts.

It is what it is but what it really is, is disappointing.

[pitch perfect]

Originally Posted by Cucumber_Jones

..seems to me thought that many people have the platter and bearing but do not have the player system or the lingo/emt set up.

Hi,

Not many people. I know of only one or two.. And those particular platter/spindle/bearings were floating around for years..

Unfortunately, there have been some unscrupulous individuals trying to copy Shindo components and products through the years - and poorly I might add - hence certain componentry are now held close to his chest, so to speak.

The Shindo 301 Player is a complete system, soup to nuts. Designed as a whole. As is the Lignolab setup (a plinth in production for a few decades), which also benefit from the platter upgrade, from our listening experience.. This is not to say that a DIY/homebrew plinth won't benefit from a platter upgrade to some extent. But plopping a new bearing/spindle/platter into a DIY plinth is not Shindo's design intent.

Suffice to say, it was never intended to be an aftermarket upgrade used with homebrew or poorly copied Shindo plinths (which have infiltrated the market). I have utmost respect for some DIY'ers doing it themselves - but it's really not the first upgrade to look at when building a plinth or TT rig. There are many other variables to consider before dropping in a new bearing and platter. It's not a panacea for success.

Sincerely,
-M

[kev313]

Originally Posted by pitchperfect

Hi,

Not many people. I know of only one or two.. And those particular platter/spindle/bearings were floating around for years..

Unfortunately, there have been some unscrupulous individuals trying to copy Shindo components and products through the years - and poorly I might add - hence certain componentry are now held close to his chest, so to speak.

The Shindo 301 Player is a complete system, soup to nuts. Designed as a whole. As is the Lignolab setup (a plinth in production for a few decades), which also benefit from the platter upgrade, from our listening experience.. This is not to say that a DIY/homebrew plinth won't benefit from a platter upgrade to some extent. But plopping a new bearing/spindle/platter into a DIY plinth is not Shindo's design intent.

Suffice to say, it was never intended to be an aftermarket upgrade used with homebrew or poorly copied Shindo plinths (which have infiltrated the market). I have utmost respect for some DIY'ers doing it themselves - but it's really not the first upgrade to look at when building a plinth or TT rig. There are many other variables to consider before dropping in a new bearing and platter. It's not a panacea for success.

Sincerely,
-M

I'm totally going to point out the obvious. Matt speaks truth right here. The Shindo parts are pieces of a whole. If you don't have the whole package, results are likely not as Shindo intended. After spending about a decade with several Garrards and Thorens (among others) I can assure everyone that there are also about 100 things to look at in any given tt system BEFORE the platter.

Finally, the DIY route isn't much of a bargain vs Matt's tables if one looks at price to performance and adds in the cost of putting your own time into either building or "general contracting" a build.