P-6100 or A-70?

[raidho]

A70!!

super amplifier.

class A, amazing perfomance, can drive (almost) ALL!! + prampli 2820 + cd player Dp 720 or too a Dp600. one Dp550 make sure a great combo.

what for speakers?

no doubt!

[soundslikemusic]

Originally Posted by raidho

A70!!

super amplifier.

class A, amazing perfomance, can drive (almost) ALL!! + prampli 2820 + cd player Dp 720 or too a Dp600. one Dp550 make sure a great combo.

what for speakers?

no doubt!

A70 will drive anything out there. Agree with your assessment.

[Mattia]

I have an humble and absolutely not polemic question.

If the A-70 can drive almost every speaker in every room with ease, and with more refinement than AB, then why Accuphase bothers to produce the P-6100?

The same with the recent E-470 or last year P-4200. Why bother, with more refined Class A amps that have no driving problems and that I think also have more appeal on the market ("Class A = magic")?

[soundslikemusic]

Originally Posted by Mattia

I have an humble and absolutely not polemic question.

If the A-70 can drive almost every speaker in every room with ease, and with more refinement than AB, then why Accuphase bothers to produce the P-6100?

The same with the recent E-470 or last year P-4200. Why bother, with more refined Class A amps that have no driving problems and that I think also have more appeal on the market ("Class A = magic")?

Cost. Class A are more expensive that class ab counterparts.

[Mattia]

Yes but the differences are not so pronounced and not intrinsically tied to "Class A" but I think more on market positioning.

At will, Accuphase could produce an AB amp and position it at a price higher than A-70, just as A-36 costs less than P-4200. Market and positioning choices, not terribly technology-related I think.

So it seems to me that Accuphase perceives there is still a need for "high wattage" AB amplifiers. If not, at least in the power amplifier segment (not the lower end integrated), there would be only Class A products (that by the way also right now cover a quite large price range).

[bvdiman]

Originally Posted by soundslikemusic

The a70 will give you smiles. So refine so powerful. It's fantastic! It even is more refine than a tube amp am currently auditioning.

soundslikemusic, few years back I had the Ref150 side by side a Soulution710 for one and half years in which I thought also the SS 710 was overall the more refined and better amp (albeit costing much more). Then had the 710 replaced with A200 last year.. I think these, along with my other SS amp (FMA) will keep me stay put for awhile.. err Hopefully

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Dave, given your situation, I'd also likely get the A70. For normal to moderately loud listening, meters on my amps rarely pass 10w! When it averagely start hitting 50w, it's pretty loud, so I guess you'll be good. At window rattling levels, meters do pegged 280-300w, still composed without hint of strain. And my amps are merely rated @100w/8ohm--indicating Accuphase's massive headroom/conservative rating. My speakers are 89db/8ohm (5ohm min.), room ar. 15'x36'.

[soundslikemusic]

Originally Posted by bvdiman

soundslikemusic, few years back I had the Ref150 side by side a Soulution710 for one and half years in which I thought also the SS 710 was overall the more refined and better amp (albeit costing much more). Then had the 710 replaced with A200 last year.. I think these, along with my other SS amp (FMA) will keep me stay put for awhile.. err Hopefully

Dave, given your situation, I'd also likely get the A70. For normal to moderately loud listening, meters on my amps rarely pass 10w! When it averagely start hitting 50w, it's pretty loud, so I guess you'll be good. At window rattling levels, meters do pegged 280-300w, still composed withouthin hint of strain. And my amps are merely rated @100w/8ohm--indicating Accuphase's massive headroom/conservative rating. My speakers are 89db/8ohm (5ohm min.), room ar. 15'x36'.

Hi bvidiman

I'm actually enjoying the ref5 and ref75. A bit different from the a70 but very much enjoyable. I'll probably in the end buy the Ref 75 so have different flavors from the A70.
I ordered a ref5se and plan to pair with the a70. I heard this combo and its also very very good.
Dilemma now is between a ref 150 or a ref 75. Every time I'm set my mind to buy the REF75 the temptation to consider the Ref 150 also sets in.

Choices.

[bvdiman]

Originally Posted by soundslikemusic

Hi bvidiman

I'm actually enjoying the ref5 and ref75. A bit different from the a70 but very much enjoyable. I'll probably in the end buy the Ref 75 so have different flavors from the A70.
I ordered a ref5se and plan to pair with the a70. I heard this combo and its also very very good.
Dilemma now is between a ref 150 or a ref 75. Every time I'm set my mind to buy the REF75 the temptation to consider the Ref 150 also sets in.

Choices.

I've also thoroughly enjoyed my time with Ref150 (hard to beat for the price) hence thinking of their new GS amp. However, yesterday importer told me to expect a slightly different sound/flavor from Refs in that they are a tad more 'illuminated' - whatever that means. Hope to hear one soon.

For me, if planning to keep the amp for long I'd get Ref150 (more versatile), but in your case, if happy with current sound (enough drive), moreover as 2nd amp to alternate with your A70, I'd just keep the Ref75 - great sound and less tubes to care for.

[Dave_72]

Originally Posted by soundslikemusic

The a70 will give you smiles. So refine so powerful. It's fantastic! It even is more refine than a tube amp am currently auditioning.

Ok, sounds good.

[Dave_72]

Originally Posted by bvdiman

soundslikemusic, few years back I had the Ref150 side by side a Soulution710 for one and half years in which I thought also the SS 710 was overall the more refined and better amp (albeit costing much more). Then had the 710 replaced with A200 last year.. I think these, along with my other SS amp (FMA) will keep me stay put for awhile.. err Hopefully

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Dave, given your situation, I'd also likely get the A70. For normal to moderately loud listening, meters on my amps rarely pass 10w! When it averagely start hitting 50w, it's pretty loud, so I guess you'll be good. At window rattling levels, meters do pegged 280-300w, still composed without hint of strain. And my amps are merely rated @100w/8ohm--indicating Accuphase's massive headroom/conservative rating. My speakers are 89db/8ohm (5ohm min.), room ar. 15'x36'.

Ok, thanks, that put me at ease regarding the A-70.