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Old 04-20-2016, 10:22 PM
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Tim.......In case you missed it, you might want to read my PrimaLuna ProLogue Premium Integrated Amplifier Review
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Hola Esteban cˇmo va?

Just a thought. Is there any chance that somewhere along the line, the dealer (very cool gentleman it seems) could lend you the HP again? I mean, after say 150 hours and maybe with him having tinkered a bit with different tubes?

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Esteban... Interesting comparison and conclusions. I will say that my PL HP sounded dramatically different with KT120's vice the EL34's. I did not like the stock EL34's with my Sonus Faber's...sound was weak in the bass and the tone was somehow "off". The KT120's were a vast improvement.

Between the tubes and being not broken in, I suggest not writing off the HP just yet...
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Esteban... Interesting comparison and conclusions. I will say that my PL HP sounded dramatically different with KT120's vice the EL34's. I did not like the stock EL34's with my Sonus Faber's...sound was weak in the bass and the tone was somehow "off". The KT120's were a vast improvement.

Between the tubes and being not broken in, I suggest not writing off the HP just yet...
Ditto.

The KT120s were phenomenal on the Premium HP.
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Ditto.

The KT120s were phenomenal on the Premium HP.
Interesting... So do the type of tubes make more of a difference, or taking the time to burn in the amp overall? Or both?
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Interesting... So do the type of tubes make more of a difference, or taking the time to burn in the amp overall? Or both?

I thought burning in the EL34s was a very gradual process. The KT120s was like a WOW when I swapped them over.
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Some say that the KT150s are an even bigger improvement...
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Some say that the KT150s are an even bigger improvement...
Perhaps...when I talked to Kevin Deal, he said that the KT120's and KT150's were pretty equivalent sound wise, with the 150's having a bit more power. I would love to try the comparison myself, but at almost $100 a tube (~$800 a set for my HP), that gets pretty expensive.
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Brought my PrimaLuna Dialogue HP Integrated home last night and hooked it up to my main system, replacing the McIntosh C2300 and MC601's. The PL is outfitted with KT120's and Brimar 12AU7's for the driver tubes. I ran everything in triode mode so only 45 watts per channel were available.

It was an interesting comparison. Soundstaging, especially for vocals, was more laid back and "distant" with the PL, with greater space being presented. Low level details in the plucking of strings or percussion strikes were easier to hear. Generally more detail was evident...not what I expected.

With only 45 watts on hand, the bass seemed not to go as deep, but what was present was punchy, full-sounding and with very good tonal detail. Rocking to AC/DC Thunderstruck just did not have the drive or deep bass that the MC601's could deliver. That was expected. Interesting, however, that in all more "mellow" music I listened to, I never missed the extra wattage.

The PL was less forgiving of poorly recorded material, another small surprise. The aforementioned AC/DC track is a little bright and the PL did not cover that up. Cranking it on the McIntosh equipment is just simply fun, and without any listening fatigue. Doing the same on the PL just led me to turning the volume back down. Now, this may have something to do with distortion due to lack of power, so I cannot completely fault the PL amp.

I will play around more this weekend and will update my thoughts on the comparison. At this point, however, I am quite impressed with how a $4500 tube integrated can compete sonically with much higher priced gear, and that the PL was not embarrassed driving the Sonus Faber Elipsa SE's. Gotta admit that, if the integrated can sound so good, how would a Dialogue Premium Preamp and HP monoblock amps sound?!?
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Brought my PrimaLuna Dialogue HP Integrated home last night and hooked it up to my main system, replacing the McIntosh C2300 and MC601's. The PL is outfitted with KT120's and Brimar 12AU7's for the driver tubes. I ran everything in triode mode so only 45 watts per channel were available.

It was an interesting comparison. Soundstaging, especially for vocals, was more laid back and "distant" with the PL, with greater space being presented. Low level details in the plucking of strings or percussion strikes were easier to hear. Generally more detail was evident...not what I expected.

With only 45 watts on hand, the bass seemed not to go as deep, but what was present was punchy, full-sounding and with very good tonal detail. Rocking to AC/DC Thunderstruck just did not have the drive or deep bass that the MC601's could deliver. That was expected. Interesting, however, that in all more "mellow" music I listened to, I never missed the extra wattage.

The PL was less forgiving of poorly recorded material, another small surprise. The aforementioned AC/DC track is a little bright and the PL did not cover that up. Cranking it on the McIntosh equipment is just simply fun, and without any listening fatigue. Doing the same on the PL just led me to turning the volume back down. Now, this may have something to do with distortion due to lack of power, so I cannot completely fault the PL amp.

I will play around more this weekend and will update my thoughts on the comparison. At this point, however, I am quite impressed with how a $4500 tube integrated can compete sonically with much higher priced gear, and that the PL was not embarrassed driving the Sonus Faber Elipsa SE's. Gotta admit that, if the integrated can sound so good, how would a Dialogue Premium Preamp and HP monoblock amps sound?!?
Thanks for sharing your experience! Some really interesting finds. I also have the Elipsa SE's, but I drive them with the "regular" DiaLogue One and, at the moment, EL-34 tubes. Stock Chinese Shuguang tubes, for the mighty sum of $60 per quad! And they sound great! Also had a fantastic experience with the Gold Lion KT-88's. I encourage you to try your HP with either or, and in ultra-linear mode. I think you may get some of the bass slam you are currently missing while preserving a lot of what impressed you about the HP. Look forward to hearing more of your thoughts!
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