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Old 07-09-2019, 08:46 PM
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What is a DOE?
Hi Mark,
A DOE is a Design of Experiments. A statistical approach that lets you examine multiple factors driving or impacting a "functional response" (what's measured) simultaneously as well as examine the interactions between the factors, etc.

Here are a few introductory vids on YT. With your professional background, you'll get the gist of it pretty quickly. Its based on ANOVA.

https://youtu.be/tZWAYbKYVjM

https://youtu.be/oajPmqCffLU
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Old 07-09-2019, 11:21 PM
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Hi Mark,
A DOE is a Design of Experiments. A statistical approach that lets you examine multiple factors driving or impacting a "functional response" (what's measured) simultaneously as well as examine the interactions between the factors, etc.

Here are a few introductory vids on YT. With your professional background, you'll get the gist of it pretty quickly. Its based on ANOVA.

https://youtu.be/tZWAYbKYVjM

https://youtu.be/oajPmqCffLU

Thanks...been a while since I thought "stats".


To answer your question, I have a full active setup for speakers. That affords numerous points where the Denali 6000/S v2 can replace point-to-point between digital amplification together with an LPSU+RoomEQ processor device direct into the wall from each device with the new Denali with it DTCD and QR/BB capabilities, etc....in the middle.


The list is;


1000W digital amps in each of 2 Legacy Foundation Subwoofer & Bass Units


2x750W digital amps in each of 2 Legacy Caliber XD Custom-built (1 15amp cord into each speaker)


1 Legacy Powerbloc2 dual-mono (2x325W dual-mono design) driving the high-frequency inputs to the Caliber XDs only



1 HDPLEXX Generation 2 100W LPSU built to drive Legacy Wavelet (takes DC on XLR5 input)


1 Legacy Wavelet which I am using for multidimensional RoomEQ (time also being considered in all the target function evaluations points on the frequency response curve) using the DC power provided by the HDPLEX.
Note that the Wavelet is used with 8 simultaneous outputs to provide the utmost
control over RoomEQ over all 4 frequency major bands L and R (sub-bass/bass, mid-bass, midrange, treble). The Wavelet is also capable of being used as a self-standing DAC and Line Pre-amp via its digital inputs
but I'm not using it in that way as my Esoteric D-02 is driving the Wavelet via its analog XLR inputs.


All this adds to a lot of points where Denali 6000/S v2 I believe will make a big difference with its current delivery and noise-filtering/isolation capabilities.


DOE: Could construct quite the model based upon all the points above I think but frankly I'll just listen and see how I like the result !

FWIW...

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Old 07-10-2019, 12:24 AM
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Ha!

That's quite a sophisticated setup, Mark! Impressive.

So, if I understand, this is a fully active loudspeaker system, with indepedent amps driving, respectively, the subs, the main speaker driver(s), and then the tweeters of the speakers? :scratch:

And then, the Wavelet provides real-time, in-room corrected frequency response (incl. the time domain)?

Yep, sounds like the new Denali 6000/S Version 2 is just the ticket for you...

And, yeah, I'd pass on the DOE and just listen!
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Old 07-10-2019, 06:10 AM
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Ha!

That's quite a sophisticated setup, Mark! Impressive.

So, if I understand, this is a fully active loudspeaker system, with indepedent amps driving, respectively, the subs, the main speaker driver(s), and then the tweeters of the speakers? :scratch:

And then, the Wavelet provides real-time, in-room corrected frequency response (incl. the time domain)?

Yep, sounds like the new Denali 6000/S Version 2 is just the ticket for you...

And, yeah, I'd pass on the DOE and just listen!
Correct...all amps are internal to speaker sections except the 1 Powerbloc2 amp for the tweeters.
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Old 07-10-2019, 09:40 AM
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Those that follow the company are aware that Shunyata Research have really been on a roll of late with a spate of recents releases of new products that raise the bar for their respective product classes with respect to innovation, performance and value.

The new Alpha and Sigma line of USB cables have been a revelation for many, including me, and the new Venom, Alpha and Sigma line of Ethernet cables have re-set the bar for Ethernet cable performance (Yes, Virginia, Ethernet cables really DO matter). Then there's the innovative & very exciting new line of noise-reducing power cables, Venom NR-V10, NR-V12, & Venom 14 Digital, Version 2 of the very successful Denali 6000 line of power distributors which have been released recently, and Shunyata is working overtime to fulfill orders for all these new products. I'm sure we'll be getting reports in from end-users as these new products get into the hands of customers.

Well, Shunyata Research isn't resting on its laurels, and the new Performance line of power distributors was just announced on their website:

https://shunyata.com/view-power-dist...rformance-line

The new Performance Line sits between the Reference (Denali & Triton) product lines and the Venom line.

Delta D6
The new Delta D6 provides 6 outlets with DTCD Design current delivery, CCI component to component isolation, NIC and GP-NR grounding noise reduction, high-current capability (which means you can use it for powering your power amp or integrated), >40dB of noise suppression, vibration management, "firewalling" of digital components from the rest of the audio system, and a host of other goodies. Priced at $1995, the new Delta D6 outperforms the legendary Triton V1 and V2 for less than half the original price of the Triton v1.

More specs, photos and details are here: https://shunyata.com/products/power-...ydra-delta-d6/.

Alpha A12
The Alpha A12 provides 12 outlets of power distribution, with all of the features of Delta D6, >60dB of noise isolation (), as well as 6 Zones of Isolation. From the Shunyata Research web page:
"The Hydra Alpha A12 features six zones of isolation. The Hydra Alpha A12 (US, AS, EU) is configured in such a manner that each duplex is individually isolated. The Hydra Alpha A10 UK model also features six zones of isolation, with four isolated duplexes and two individually isolated outlets. This design principle provides for a high level of noise isolation while delivering exceptional audio and video performance."
MSRP is $3500.

Link to the Alpha A12 is here:
https://shunyata.com/products/power-...dra-alpha-a12/

Sigma S12
The Top of the Line for the new Performance line of power distributors, the Sigma S12 builds upon the features and functions of the Alpha A12 with 12 CopperCONN outlets, the MED filter technology that was developed for the Clear Image Scientific products in the medical imaging industry, and enhanced vibration management. MSRP is $4995.
Link here to all the info: https://shunyata.com/products/power-...dra-sigma-s12/

These new power distributors look to be pretty cool and offer remarkable performance at their respective price points. When I bought my Triton V1 back in 2012, it sold for $5000. It was a major improvement to my system, a component-level upgrade. Now, 7 years later, one can buy a Shunyata power distributor that notably outperforms it at less than 1/2 the price.

How often does that happen in the world of high-end audio? Ummm...not very often.

More performance, lower price. Or...same price, considerably more performance.

That is what I call a VALUE PROPOSITION and Shunyata Research is hitting on all cylinders...


I just hope they can keep up with customer demand with all the new great gear they have released of late....
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Old 07-10-2019, 10:47 AM
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I am literally “on call” today, awaiting my dealer’s scheduled receipt of his Shunyata order.
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More coming? I note that Shunyata's website no long shows Denali 6000T (non-UK) and Triton V3.
I was just on the Shunyata site and saw the Triton V3, still listed. Is it due for an update?

The new Sigma looks really great for a product not designated in their reference line.
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I'm not sure if this is slightly off topic or a new thread is warranted, but if a person already owns a PS8/Defender/Delta NR and wanted to buy a Denali 6000/T or 2000/T. What is the proper order of hooking up these two (Denali and PS8) power distributors:


1. Should they be kept in separate outlets?

2. Or one plugged into the other ~ if so which one plugged into the other and into the outlet?

3. If one is hooked into the other should the Defender still be used?

4. Is a Delta NR or Venom NR a suitable choice of power cable for the Denali or does one need to use a higher level cable?

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I'm not sure if this is slightly off topic or a new thread is warranted, but if a person already owns a PS8/Defender/Delta NR and wanted to buy a Denali 6000/T or 2000/T. What is the proper order of hooking up these two (Denali and PS8) power distributors:


1. Should they be kept in separate outlets?

2. Or one plugged into the other ~ if so which one plugged into the other and into the outlet?

3. If one is hooked into the other should the Defender still be used?

4. Is a Delta NR or Venom NR a suitable choice of power cable for the Denali or does one need to use a higher level cable?

Thanks!
I'm hoping Caelin and/or Grant might jump in, but, personally, I'm struggling to answer your question without knowing more about your specific requirements.

You can certainly plug them into separate outlets. How you use them really depends what specifically you need to do with each of them.

What I'm not sure about is why you'd want to plug a Venom PS8 that is powered with a Delta NR and uses a Venom Defender for even more noise reduction into the Denali?

And, you'd be using a valuable Denali receptacle that could be used for another component.

For me, it comes down to my requirements: I have a fairly distributed system with three distinct zones that require clean power, and two of these zones are not located anywhere near the main audio rack. If I had a PS8 with a Venom Defender and a Delta NR, I'd be using that to power my Mac Mini music server that's in the study. Or I'd be using it in the zone that powers my upstream fiber media convertor.

Per your last question: "4. Is a Delta NR or Venom NR a suitable choice of power cable for the Denali or does one need to use a higher level cable?"

The answer is YES. If you use the Venom NR, you should use an NR-V10 for a power distributor. Of course, you will need a C19 plug for either power cord.

If you give us more insight into what your specific needs are, we should help provide more specific info, hopefully...
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I'm hoping Caelin and/or Grant might jump in, but, personally, I'm struggling to answer your question without knowing more about your specific requirements.

You can certainly plug them into separate outlets. How you use them really depends what specifically you need to do with each of them.

What I'm not sure about is why you'd want to plug a Venom PS8 that is powered with a Delta NR and uses a Venom Defender for even more noise reduction into the Denali?

And, you'd be using a valuable Denali receptacle that could be used for another component.

For me, it comes down to my requirements: I have a fairly distributed system with three distinct zones that require clean power, and two of these zones are not located anywhere near the main audio rack. If I had a PS8 with a Venom Defender and a Delta NR, I'd be using that to power my Mac Mini music server that's in the study. Or I'd be using it in the zone that powers my upstream fiber media convertor.

Per your last question: "4. Is a Delta NR or Venom NR a suitable choice of power cable for the Denali or does one need to use a higher level cable?"

The answer is YES. If you use the Venom NR, you should use an NR-V10 for a power distributor. Of course, you will need a C19 plug for either power cord.

If you give us more insight into what your specific needs are, we should help provide more specific info, hopefully...
Thanks,

I currently have a PS8 and don't have enough outlets for my setup. So I also use a SurgeX that has an additional 6 outlets. The PS8/Defender/Delta NR are plugged into one outlet on the wall and the SurgeX into the other. My system includes the following components:

Plugged into PS8:
1. Mac C220 Preamp
2. Decware Taboo MK II Amp
3. Mac D150 DAC
4. Rega RP6 TT
5. Subwoofer 1
6. Subwoofer 2
7. 65" HDTV
8. Defender (into the first plug of the PS8)

Plugged into SurgeX:
8. HTPC
9. Pioneer Elite UDP
10. NAS
11. Switch
12. Cable Box

Hopefully within another year a set of Decware UFO25 mono block amps, so I will need 13 total outlets available.

So one PS8 won't cover it (hence the SurgeX). The SurgeX is pretty decent, however it's not as good as a Shunyata product and I was thinking about trying to swing a Denali at some point, but a Denali 6000/T won't have enough outlets by itself ... I can't afford 2 Denali's (plus 2 Denali 6000/T wouldn't cover it anyways). So my thoughts were to keep my PS8 and then add a Denali to expand my outlet coverage and then retire the SurgeX to my bedroom system.

As another less expensive alternative, I was thinking about buying a Denali 2000/T and plugging the PS8 into one outlet on the Denali and the SurgeX into the other outlet on the Denali. Not as optimum as a Denali 6000/T + PS8, but more optimum on my wallet.
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