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07-13-2019, 07:46 AM
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Have we all been duped??
I came across this video which allegedly debunks many of our beliefs regarding cables.
Even if the "null equation" is true, I still believe that cables can make a difference but maybe I have partaken of too much audio "Kool-Aid"!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyWt...CzxsL7R9bZOv-Q
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07-13-2019, 08:23 AM
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Really?
 How can anyone challenge what someone saw, heard, and believes.
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07-13-2019, 09:33 AM
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Have we all been duped??
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It is how progress and innovation work Last edited by JemHadar; 07-13-2019 at 09:39 AM.
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07-13-2019, 04:48 PM
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07-13-2019, 08:40 AM
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Have we all been duped??
Bob Carver used the same principle when testing and comparing amplifiers. He too ruffled some feathers.
Null difference testing would be a great tool to show differences between entry level and totl cables within the range of a manufacturer. None of them does. I wonder why that is. To claim that there is a difference when a null difference measurement shows there isn’t is like claiming 1-1=1 ...but then...cables are like religion...there is no point in debating them. Everyone is free to believe what they want. Last edited by JemHadar; 07-13-2019 at 09:31 AM.
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07-13-2019, 10:00 AM
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Greg.......To this day my ears remain the ultimate authority for what pleases my sense of hearing and my state of mind when enjoying music. I let my ears be my guide. This approach has served me well.
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07-13-2019, 12:22 PM
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I can't think of one other aspect of our hobby that has the most amount of snake oil, marketing and markups than the cable industry.
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07-13-2019, 12:27 PM
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07-13-2019, 10:24 AM
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He makes perfect sense. I kept waiting for him to explain why cables sound different but he never did.
Darn.
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07-13-2019, 10:39 AM
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Good thread.
 An entire industry has been created with millions spent and millions made, hence Ethan is not liked. One thing I can't understand is why pro audio which relies on the best reproduction of their music, typically uses only well made inexpensive wires.  Ron
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