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Old 01-05-2020, 07:55 PM
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Manufacturers who know what they are doing donít invert the price and quality relationship. Also see the Stereophile review of the 160S this month where Dave Gordon says the 160S is close to but not better than 160Ms.
Yes, I don't understand why anyone would think the stereo version of the same amp would be better than the mono, but I haven't personally compared either. I love my gs150, I don't feel like I'm missing anything.
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According to some people I know they have said the same thing about other brands (Hegel..Don't remember the model and Luxman M900) where they preferred the stereo version over the mono version.

As to what Dave Gordon said...what else would you expect him to say?? Shaking my head over that comment. I would trust a reviewer before I would listen to somebody with the most skin in the game...and that's somebody who works for the manufacturer.
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According to some people I know they have said the same thing about other brands (Hegel..Don't remember the model and Luxman M900) where they preferred the stereo version over the mono version.

As to what Dave Gordon said...what else would you expect him to say?? Shaking my head over that comment. I would trust a reviewer before I would listen to somebody with the most skin in the game...and that's somebody who works for the manufacturer.


My point is that itís not in ARCís interest to make and sell a unit for $20k that is better than a current model they sell for $30k. If they did that, they would lose their upgrade from stereo to separates business. So I believe David Gordon is the right authority because itís his/ARCs decision how they design and price their components. It would be like if someone told you that got more coffee in a Starbucks Venti than a Grande. I would believe Starbucks when they say Grande costs more and is bigger and that is an intentional plan. There is no logic I can fathom where ARC intentionally or accidentally inverts this. I can believe some random dude who heard each with different speakers may have thought the Stereo was better but the manufacturer has compared under identical circumstances and has designed the pieces and set their prices.
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Old 01-06-2020, 12:45 AM
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Dave is by default somewhat biased because it's his job, but judging by the dealings I've had with him, he's about as honest and upstanding anyone could be in his position. He is a true class act.
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Dave was wonderful to deal with the 1 time I got a chance to speak to him for about 20 minutes or so on the phone. I couldn't have asked for more patience in dealing with my questions regarding their old Multi Channel gear. So my comment was directed at anybody in his position...not personally about him even thou that's how it could have been construed I suppose.
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Pulled the trigger on the DAWs. Dealer gave me good trade in on the Sasha Is. Going to choose color tomorrow. I expect the 160S will be sufficient.
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Pulled the trigger on the DAWs. Dealer gave me good trade in on the Sasha Is. Going to choose color tomorrow. I expect the 160S will be sufficient.
Congratulations! You will be happy. The 160s is more than adequate to make them sing!
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Pulled the trigger on the DAWs. Dealer gave me good trade in on the Sasha Is. Going to choose color tomorrow. I expect the 160S will be sufficient.
That's going to be a great match, the 160S will make those sing, congrats on the system.

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Well what he has on his side is his experience with all 3 GS, 160Mono, Stereo. What he has going against him is different speakers on each as well as speaker cables etc. He isn't speculating. He has no motive to lie and I know him personally so can vouch for his authenticity and honesty. I believe what he says HE hears which may not be what you or I would hear. He used the 160M with NEOLITH Speakers and not the Alexia...that's what he used the 160S on and quickly ditched it. According to him multiple ARC dealers came to the same conclusion...the Stereo version was Tweaked somehow and is an improvement..but that's all hearsay obviously
Where can I read more about these comparisons? I would like to read it. Thanks
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