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You have a great system. My guess is no difference. IF there is a difference, the effort would not be worth the rewards. Why not rip one and listen?
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I have all three formats available in my system. I have all my CD's and more ripped to a hard drive. I listen to vinyl maybe 40% and CD about 40%. The rest of the time I listen to computer audio files. I don't stream off the internet. The computer audio I listen to is mostly high resolution stuff or albums friends have given me that they want me to hear. If I like it I will buy the CD or vinyl album or both. My Ref CD7 easily bests my computer audio setup. If I had something more dedicated it would probably be closer. But after ripping all my CDs I have found that I still preferred listening to them instead of with a computer. I like thumbing through CDs or albums for that mater far more than browsing computer files. I actually find the computer more of a distraction in the listening room. I end up checking email and other stuff instead of just listening to music. |
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Thanks John....that’s a great idea. I’ll burn one tomorrow and report back. My Oppo UDP-205 should be an even match with my Aurender N100H.
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Paul Speakers: Von Schweikert VR-5 Anniversary MK II Front L/R, LCR-35 Center, VR-1 Rear L/R Sub: JL Audio F113 Amps: PS Audio BHK Signature 300 Mono, McIntosh MC207 Pre-Amp PS Audio BHK Signature and Gold Note PH-10 Phono Stage/PSU-10 Power Supply Turntable: VPI HR-X 12.7 TONEARM (2) and SDS, Stillpoints LPI Tape Deck Otari 5050B II2 Music Server: Aurender N100H Cartridges: Ortofon Cadenza Black, Lyra Helikon Mono Digital Source: Oppo UDP-205 DAC: Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE SSP: Marantz AV8801 Cables: Wireworld Electra 7 (P) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7, Shunyata Delta NR (I) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 (S) Wireworld Platinum Starlight 7 (USB) AC Power Regeneration: PS Audio DirectStream P15 Power Plant and Shunyata Denali 6000s V2. |
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Paul
I expect what you are going to hear is the difference between the ESS chips in the OPPO as opposed to the AKM chipset in the Bryston.
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Hi Jack.... I currently have the Oppo using the Bryston DAC.
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Paul Speakers: Von Schweikert VR-5 Anniversary MK II Front L/R, LCR-35 Center, VR-1 Rear L/R Sub: JL Audio F113 Amps: PS Audio BHK Signature 300 Mono, McIntosh MC207 Pre-Amp PS Audio BHK Signature and Gold Note PH-10 Phono Stage/PSU-10 Power Supply Turntable: VPI HR-X 12.7 TONEARM (2) and SDS, Stillpoints LPI Tape Deck Otari 5050B II2 Music Server: Aurender N100H Cartridges: Ortofon Cadenza Black, Lyra Helikon Mono Digital Source: Oppo UDP-205 DAC: Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE SSP: Marantz AV8801 Cables: Wireworld Electra 7 (P) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7, Shunyata Delta NR (I) Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 (S) Wireworld Platinum Starlight 7 (USB) AC Power Regeneration: PS Audio DirectStream P15 Power Plant and Shunyata Denali 6000s V2. |
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For me, CD playback from a good transport like an Esoteric based EMM Labs, Playback Designs or a Philips CDPRO2 based Bel Canto CD2, Ayon CD5S sounded better than computer audio when I first started.
Then I learnt about optimizing computer transports - CAPS based fanless computers with linear power supplies and dedicated OS/playback software. And to my ears, computer audio was a better choice especially with hires audio and DSD playback (when I often couldn’t find out of print SACDs). Things got significantly better when DACs moved away from USB or SPDIF connections from computers but via a network bridge (the PS Audio DS DAC sounded to me better than most computer transports) Then PS Audio launched the memory transport. And I went back to spinning discs again.
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I have just been dipping my toes into streaming seriously since a couple of months.
I have a collection of almost 3000 silver discs (many of them are SACDs). Through the same DAC, the well remastered hi-res albums from Qobuz sound at least the equal of my CDs. Mind you, this is with a dirty cheap streamer from Yamaha! A reliable audiophile friend told me this device was punching way above its price and he's so right. As entry point into streaming I thought 299€ wouldn't hurt too much if streaming proved to be not my thing after all. (My DAC is not MQA-compatible, so I can't say anything about the pros of MQA). I used to listen to (SA)CDs 80% of the time (the other 20% was tuner and 5.0). Now streaming is 80%. The rest is tuner, CDs (the ones not on Tidal or Qobuz), and surround SACDs. I'm seriously thinking about streaming/downloading multichannel recordings also, as I can see the format of 5.0 SACDs gradually disappear.
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For the life of me, I can't see how a motorized device (CD player) with some type of conversion system that takes that physical disc and transfers that into a digital file — can possibly sound better than that digital file by itself.
If one wants a new toy, likes variety, and you become more emotionally involved with the music — then go for it. Ron
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Ron, I agree with the premise of your question but while the ‘file’ on a hard drive and on the CD are the same, the process they go through to get to your PreAmp is not. More/less cables, different conversion processes, etc. Perhaps that explains any differences people hear? Craig
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Digital vs Digital
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It seems 3 different things are being compared here: 1) Digitized, physical media playback on a dedicated transport (CD, SACD) 2) Digital playback from a locally stored file 3) Streaming 1 and 2 can be equipment dependent. 3 can throw variables outside most people's control.
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