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Old 07-18-2018, 03:31 AM
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I for one don't really care if the Mbappé's are from Cameroonian descent or whatever. He was born in Bondy, is French in every sense of the term the Dad even runs a small football academy for the community of Bondy.

Also if you thought about it, Italy won a WC or two with Argentinian/Uruguayan players who naturalised etc. But as Jerome so well pointed out, in current, modern times all this reasoning bears no more meaning as society as a whole has evolved.
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All countries have skeletons in their closets Jerome, and none of the Croatian team were old enough to have any part to play. Indeed Modric saw his grandfather fall during the 90's when he was 6.

I am not talking about the Croatian players or people in Croatia today. I am talking of this state of mind considering that a man from African or arab or jewish or whatever origin may not "represent" the "real" France. There is a stinking debate occuring on the web since a few days. This smells really bad.
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I for one don't really care if the Mbappé's are from Cameroonian descent or whatever. He was born in Bondy, is French in every sense of the term the Dad even runs a small football academy for the community of Bondy.

Also if you thought about it, Italy won a WC or two with Argentinian/Uruguayan players who naturalised etc. But as Jerome so well pointed out, in current, modern times all this reasoning bears no more meaning as society as a whole has evolved.


Exactly !
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wow Jerome...did not know that those facts about your country will disturb you like that...but when you point like that i will also give you my perspective...

in not one moment i did point out any of these players "need" to be born in France...its not the point is Thuram born in Guadeloupe or in France...point is that good part of team is direct consequence of your colonialistic history (which to me smells really bad) and not a result of common/normal immigration of people.
Thing is that if players like Zidane or Pogba had not had high quality they would play for Algeria and Guinea. So all the best want to go to France and France takes only the best...great history advantage and that was all my closed mentality wanted to say...

"Of course, our country's richness comes from the diversity of cultures and origins of people who integrated the french culture."

I saw by your WC celebrations that cultures are well integrated in France...

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8449021.html


I also noticed that you speak of me (and Croats) in some manners that are totally unapropriate. Like all the people are racist/fashist because some of them where forced by a millitary regime (NDH) who even sold parts of our country to Italians to gain a personal wealth...go learn few facts for a start before start accusing...all nations have good folks and idiots...my comment was not racist at all and has nothing with "pure races" as you say...au contraire i feel sorry for those african (among many others) nations being under your colonial boot so many years and of course all nations that was exploited or still gets exploited by an other well known colonialistic nations...but more power to you all...

i am sorry that my comment about contrast between our nations upset you in a such way and one more time i want to apologize if you got my comments wrong but i must answer on some of your comments and slight arrogant tone of your post......and one more time i congratulate on your deserved win on the WC...great play in most of the games.

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Old 07-18-2018, 09:28 AM
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All of our countries have some (many?) less proud moments in their history, regardless of its length. Our current political state in the U.S., for instance. However, the WC win is not one of these "less proud" times.
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I think this thread is taking a direction that is not good / constructive by AA standards...
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:29 PM
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The worst crime was blighty fielding Stirling and Lingard in the WC. Beat that guys.
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