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Old 08-22-2018, 08:43 AM
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Agree... my point is; as Ayre is designed for balanced operation, why even consider using SE cables where there's the option of balanced.
Not that anyone cares but I use the SE output from the QB9 with good results as it's my only option. Guess that's why it's there. Great DAC. Wish it did HDCD.
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:09 PM
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We wouldn't post if we didn't care Coppy. It's all good and you are right. I used a single ended MIT 360 shotgun from years back if I recall when I first got my Ayre AX7e and it sounded awesome. I then saved and got a pair of Audioquest Niagara balance and it opened a new world (selling the Niagara as I went to the AQ WEL when I got the AX5/20). The WEL cable on the AX5/20 is the best I've ever heard the amp sound. Takes it to near reference heights and I like a lot of what it does better than the stereo ref amp and the KX5 pre (or whatever the nomenclature is). It's a damn great integrated.
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Old 09-16-2018, 12:04 AM
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Default Single Ended to Balanced Cables

I tried a new cable. Audio Bliss! Wider stage! Cavernous reverbs! Less noise.
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Old 12-28-2018, 07:38 PM
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From my conversations with Ralph Karsten at Atmasphere, Balanced interconnects are less likely to show effects of cable design. One of the most positive effects is that you don't have to spend a fortune on interconnects. I bought a 25 foot XLR-XLR cable from him, and haven't looked back.
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I continue to be amazed about how much confusion (and therefore misinformation) surrounds the “single ended vs balanced cable” discussions I see on line. In summary:
  • XLR inputs / outputs do not necessarily mean the associated circuit is balanced.
  • A “balanced” designation does not necessarily mean the associated circuit is balanced “to the spec”.
  • XLR terminations do not necessarily mean the associated cable is balanced “to the spec”.
  • If the output circuit is balanced “to the spec”, the input circuit is balanced “to the spec”, and the associated cable is balanced “to the spec”, the impact of the cable itself is significantly reduced.
  • If the output circuit is balanced “to the spec”, and the input circuit is balanced “to the spec”, a cable that is is balanced “to the spec” will generally yield preferred results over a single ended option.

Fortunately we’re talking Ayre, which is balanced “to the spec”, and therefore a balanced cable - any balanced cable - will yield preferred results over a single ended alternative.
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Old 02-24-2019, 09:50 PM
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Fortunately we’re talking Ayre, which is balanced “to the spec”, and therefore a balanced cable - any balanced cable - will yield preferred results over a single ended alternative.

The balanced cable will yield preferred results over a a singled ended cable at the same performance level. So Transparent Reference Balanced cable should be better than a Transparent Reference Cable that is single ended with Ayre gear. But if you drop down a level to balanced Ultra, going from an older single ended Reference to their newest Balanced Ultra (Gen 5) was almost a draw, with the balanced Ultra winning by a small margin, but going from single ended Reference to impedance matched Balanced Reference Gen 5 was a HUGE improvement with QX-5 and AX-5 in every way. You can’t just go from single ended to balanced and expect a significant improvement unless you are getting a better cable than what you have.

I totally disagree with the notion that balanced operation makes cables less important. They are essential in my opinion.
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Old 02-24-2019, 09:58 PM
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Old 02-24-2019, 10:45 PM
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The balanced cable will yield preferred results over a a singled ended cable at the same performance level. So Transparent Reference Balanced cable should be better than a Transparent Reference Cable that is single ended with Ayre gear. But if you drop down a level to balanced Ultra, going from an older single ended Reference to their newest Balanced Ultra (Gen 5) was almost a draw, with the balanced Ultra winning by a small margin, but going from single ended Reference to impedance matched Balanced Reference Gen 5 was a HUGE improvement with QX-5 and AX-5 in every way. You can’t just go from single ended to balanced and expect a significant improvement unless you are getting a better cable than what you have.
We shall agree to disagree. The balanced spec was designed to minimize the affect of the cable. What you are hearing is induced coloration due to the single ended cable, which you may prefer.
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