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Old 12-07-2018, 06:05 AM
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The borders in the EU are still open and why, as a German or a Swiss, not buy in the Netherlands or France (where it seems cheaper) and drive the machine back there if any problem (that will not arrive anyway ;-)
Although the borders are open, Swiss is not part of the EU. Customs issues are therefore more complicated.
And within the EU and the EUR countries, differences in VAT (19% - 25%) amongst other factors lead to different prices as well.
In addition driving a car to another country is not for free and costs money as well.
Cheaper if you add all your expenses ? (Seeming is utopy, calculation on real offers is reality.)

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Old 12-07-2018, 06:06 AM
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Congrats Herbie. Excellent choice. Enjoy.

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Old 12-07-2018, 03:33 PM
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Although the borders are open, Swiss is not part of the EU. Customs issues are therefore more complicated.
And within the EU and the EUR countries, differences in VAT (19% - 25%) amongst other factors lead to different prices as well.
In addition driving a car to another country is not for free and costs money as well.
Cheaper if you add all your expenses ? (Seeming is utopy, calculation on real offers is reality.)

Martin
I have to drive a lot anyway.
My speakers are from a French dealer (and I sold my previous pair to a Danish audiophile who came to pick them up), and my SACD player is from Belgium. Today I listened in detail to some Accuphase amps in ... Germany.
Europe is small!

And as this is the E-480 page:
It seems that this machine will be a very huge step forward in comparison with the E-470.
The E-470 had no chance against a the E-650 today, that is a fantastic machine (and far better than the E-600).
It is amazing how the engineers from Accuphase are able to progress.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:22 PM
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Yes, I did.
My only comparative listening experience so far on the Utopia Scala, the source being an Esoteric k-01x (I own both machines now), was with the following integrated amps:

in alphabetical order

Accuphase E-600
Accuphase E-470
Esoteric F-05
Luxman L-590
Yamaha A-S3000

Thus, a mixture of class A and AB

The result:

in terms of sound style (MY taste: transparent and clear)

Yamaha A-S3000
Accuphase E-470
Accuphase E-600
Luxman L-590
Esoteric F-05

in terms of quality of the sound (precision, soundstage, etc. etc.)

Accuphase E-600
Esoteric F-05
Accuphase E-470
Luxman L-590
Yamaha A-S3000

I really like the Yamaha sound, but they are not reaching the high(est) end.
With Accuphase, I can clearly make it to higher levels.
I did not like Luxman (that is taste...), and was a bit disappointed by Esoteric.
Wonderfully built machines, but the sound is to nice, not enough thrill.
But a second audition could possibly change my mind.
Esoteric is probably something for the long time.

Your thoughts on E480 vs E650?
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Old 04-07-2019, 08:09 PM
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Old 04-09-2019, 04:16 PM
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I did also hear the E-480, but not with the Esoteric source, on Scala Utopia v2 speakers.
So, I listened actually to everything up to the small separate combo.
The E-480 is AB and the E-650 is A.
Similar to the P-4200 (or P-4500) that are AB, while the A-47 is class A, I would proposing the following, a little risky, comparison with classical guitars that have either a spruce (epicea) or cedar table.
The spruce (E-480 or P-4200) is faster, more transparent, more powerful and clear.
The cedar (E-650 or A-47) is more round, slower, with nicer colors.
Both have their advantages and problems.
That's a long and ongoing debate.
It depends on the music you hear and the system you have.
Like with the guitars, the best would be to have both...
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Old 05-11-2019, 11:42 AM
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Default Scala cedar or spruce?

I think, between cedar and spruce, Scala is more cedar than spruce, so it would make sense to go with 480 (I am just guessing). In comparison, I think Wilson Sasha is more spruce than cedar when compared to Scala.
I wonder how would Soulution 330 sound with Scala? The specification numbers of 330 are much better than both 650 and 480
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Old 08-18-2019, 12:01 AM
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Hi everybody, I have bought B&W 802D3

But I have not decided to buy E480 or E650

now I have no enough money to buy pre-amp and power-amp

my plan:

1. E480 -> in the future add A250 -> final replace E480 with C3850
2. E480 -> in the future add P7300 -> final replace E480 with C3850
3. E650 -> in the future add P7300 -> final replace E650 with C3850

Which plan is better?

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Old 08-18-2019, 08:28 AM
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Hi everybody, I have bought B&W 802D3

But I have not decided to buy E480 or E4650

now I have no enough money to buy pre-amp and power-amp

my plan:

1. E480 -> in the future add A250 -> final replace E480 with C3850
2. E480 -> in the future add P7300 -> final replace E480 with C3850
3. E650 -> in the future add P7300 -> final replace E650 with C3850

Which plan is better?
Of course the C-3850 + 2x A-250 combo is close to sonic Nirwana but also very expensive. IMHO it is a must for my 800D3.

To spend less money, I'd go for the E-650 and later add an A-48 for the low end to do biamplification.
The E-650 has a fully balanced volume control similar to that of the C-3850 and is Class A.
The E-480 does not have a fully balanced volume control and is not Class A .

If unsure, I'd highly recommend to do a listening comparison E-650 vs E-480, but please be aware that sources and cables might influence the results.

Martin

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