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Old 11-28-2012, 05:38 PM
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:13 AM
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I realize this entire site seems to be designed for McIntosh users, hell, I had a McIntosh MC402 before to the Marantz. Saying that, I was looking for information regarding the suitibility of the MA9S2 mono blocks with this particular speaker in a Marantz forum(at least that is what I thought).

No matter. Thanks again for your help.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:17 AM
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I realize this entire site seems to be designed for McIntosh users, hell, I had a McIntosh MC402 before to the Marantz. Saying that, I was looking for information regarding the suitibility of the MA9S2 mono blocks with this particular speaker in a Marantz forum(at least that is what I thought).

No matter. Thanks again for your help.
Tom - I've owned the Salon 2's and based on the specs of the Marantz, I don't think it's a great fit. It will work, but you need more power my friend to get the best out of those wonderful speakers of yours.

Ok. Next question. What will work better? See my response above.

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P.S. yes, this is a heavy Mcintosh forum.....but we are widely versed and experienced with other non-Mc gear.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:53 AM
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Interesting. So everyone agrees that a McIntosh MC452 WILL drive these speakers without issue and the Marantz will not-at least as well, correct? That is remarkable-to me. My theory and thoughts: Although the McIntosh MC402 could drive my JBL 1400 Array speakers, the Marantz does it better in the bass regions while the mids/highs are a bit more detailed than the McIntosh, although the Mac did have a very warm, pleasant sound(this is according to me). It was explained to me that it was not so much about the wpc but more so of the supplied current for transients. From what I can glean, the Marantz have 150 amps of peak current where the McIntosh was in the ballpark of 100 amps. Also, while considering the move from the 402 to 501 monoblocks or the 452, I noticed that the 452 actually has a lower stated current supply than the 402.......weird, I thought. Personally, I suspect that some speakers require more current than others to shine. I would expect the amps listed in the first response to be of similar or much better quality than the Marantz amps but I am unwilling(at this point)to upgrade. I guess I would rather stay the status quo-which is fine by me.

Again, I thank all for the responses. It is still a leaning process for me. One that will continue until I can really discuss the technology in a more proficent and concrete way.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:27 AM
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Interesting. So everyone agrees that a McIntosh MC452 WILL drive these speakers without issue and the Marantz will not-at least as well, correct? That is remarkable-to me. My theory and thoughts: Although the McIntosh MC402 could drive my JBL 1400 Array speakers, the Marantz does it better in the bass regions while the mids/highs are a bit more detailed than the McIntosh, although the Mac did have a very warm, pleasant sound(this is according to me). It was explained to me that it was not so much about the wpc but more so of the supplied current for transients. From what I can glean, the Marantz have 150 amps of peak current where the McIntosh was in the ballpark of 100 amps. Also, while considering the move from the 402 to 501 monoblocks or the 452, I noticed that the 452 actually has a lower stated current supply than the 402.......weird, I thought. Personally, I suspect that some speakers require more current than others to shine. I would expect the amps listed in the first response to be of similar or much better quality than the Marantz amps but I am unwilling(at this point)to upgrade. I guess I would rather stay the status quo-which is fine by me.

Again, I thank all for the responses. It is still a leaning process for me. One that will continue until I can really discuss the technology in a more proficent and concrete way.
I don't agree the 452 is a good match. So, no....not everyone - especially the guy who owned them! Mark here on the forum owns the Salon 2's and he will tell you the 501's will barely enough and certainly not optimum. He is driving them now with 2000 watts a channel (into 4 ohms) for what it's worth. Anthem M1's.

But if you like the Marantz - get them! Marantz makes great stuff!

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I don't agree the 452 is a good match. So, no....not everyone - especially the guy who owned them! Mark here on the forum owns the Salon 2's and he will tell you the 501's will barely enough and certainly not optimum. He is driving them now with 2000 watts a channel (into 4 ohms) for what it's worth. Anthem M1's.

But if you like the Marantz - get them! Marantz makes great stuff!

Mike
Thanks. However, I have the Marantz amps already (see signature). I just happened to see a pair of Revels for sale near my area for about 50% retail and was thinking........that said, The JBL 1400 Arrays I have are great-to me. As most here will attest, the 'upgrade bug' sometimes arisies. To tell the truth, I suspect the Salons would be a tad to big for my modest room anyway.

Thanks again to everyone. Maybe if a pair of Klipsch P-37 Palladium speakers are out there.......Perhaps a efficient speaker is what is on the horizon......

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Old 11-29-2012, 11:29 AM
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Thanks. However, I have the Marantz amps already (see signature). I just happened to see a pair of Revels for sale near my area for about 50% retail and was thinking........that said, The JBL 1400 Arrays I have are great-to me. As most here will attest, the 'upgrade bug' sometimes arisies. To tell the truth, I suspect the Salons would be a tad to big for my modest room anyway.

Thanks again to everyone. Maybe if a pair of Klipsch P-37 Palladium speakers are out there.......Perhaps a efficient speaker is what is on the horizon......
Not to try to keep your bug alive, but have you heard the Salon 2's? You might be swayed with a good listen, like I was. I did the same thing, got them used at 50% retail, which is a steal in my book for anything approaching this level of SQ. I tried to power them initially with a Sunfire 200wpc amp that doubled down into 4 and 2 ohms. It sucked, and I couldn't understand why, since many of the reviews I'd read had used amps with lesser power. The guys here "harassed" me into buying a more powerful, better quality amp. I came across another great deal on a used MC452 and jumped on it. To say the improvement in SQ was enormous is an understatement. Now, can I tell you that Mike is right and this beast, with more power, will sound even better? I cannot, as I've not made that comparison, and frankly I don't feel the need to, as I am extremely happy with where I am now. Having said that, there has been a time or two where I saw the needle pegging, and I wondered if I was pushing the 452 to the max, but that's been so infrequent that it hasn't been an issue. So, as far as 450 watts and the MC452, I think this is a fine amount of watts and a fine amp to get real pleasure from the Salon 2. More power may in fact be better, but I think with 450/452, the threshold of satisfaction and enjoyability has been firmly crossed.
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Not to try to keep your bug alive, but have you heard the Salon 2's? You might be swayed with a good listen, like I was. I did the same thing, got them used at 50% retail, which is a steal in my book for anything approaching this level of SQ. I tried to power them initially with a Sunfire 200wpc amp that doubled down into 4 and 2 ohms. It sucked, and I couldn't understand why, since many of the reviews I'd read had used amps with lesser power. The guys here "harassed" me into buying a more powerful, better quality amp. I came across another great deal on a used MC452 and jumped on it. To say the improvement in SQ was enormous is an understatement. Now, can I tell you that Mike is right and this beast, with more power, will sound even better? I cannot, as I've not made that comparison, and frankly I don't feel the need to, as I am extremely happy with where I am now. Having said that, there has been a time or two where I saw the needle pegging, and I wondered if I was pushing the 452 to the max, but that's been so infrequent that it hasn't been an issue. So, as far as 450 watts and the MC452, I think this is a fine amount of watts and a fine amp to get real pleasure from the Salon 2. More power may in fact be better, but I think with 450/452, the threshold of satisfaction and enjoyability has been firmly crossed.
I have yet to hear the Salon2's - but they are the ones I am referring to. As indicated, I am not going to change up the current set up I have with the Marantz gear. I like it that much. Again, My thoughts are that how the amp(s) operate with enough current (and wpc) have more effect than just wpc. My JBL Arrays are rated at 89 and sound quite nice driven by a lonely 300 wpc(8 ohm)600 wpc(4 ohm)-better than the McIntosh MC402 I had before. As a matter of fact, I just came across a picture of the Salons WITH the complete Marantz reference system but because of reasons I do not know(perhaps I have to be a member?), I can not upload it. It was at a audio show.......
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