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Old 09-15-2016, 10:07 PM
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Looking at the website the metal supportive structure to the wooden matrix is shown on the 802 and I know it's on the 800 even thought they don't show it. Are you talking about something different?
That's what I think too. They both have that aluminum exoskeleton. Not sure what Joey is seeing

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Old 09-16-2016, 03:42 AM
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Looking at the website the metal supportive structure to the wooden matrix is shown on the 802 and I know it's on the 800 even thought they don't show it. Are you talking about something different?
Yes.
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Old 09-16-2016, 03:57 AM
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See these 800d3 tuned mass dampeners.
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:18 AM
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Exactly, fast forward to almost the end of the video. They are super proud of what they've created. I thought the same you did. What?

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Yeah, since it's a video by B&W it's not like they're going to be like dang it, we gave it all we had, better luck next time I guess but hey it's better than our previous model.

When the next iteration comes out it'll be the same thing, the new one is the cat's meow

Time and user feedback will tell the real story in how the new ones compare to the competition.
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Old 09-16-2016, 08:21 PM
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Its called Marketing BS. Most large companies use it liberally. Caveat emptor.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:23 AM
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Its called Marketing BS. Most large companies use it liberally. Caveat emptor.
Some of it is Markitecture but I think some of that geeking out by the engineers is real.

And the truth is in the listening. I have to say the new D3s are the first 800s I have liked in a long time.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:57 AM
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My impression of the B&W videos was that they rang true, since the guys talking were not marketing folks but engineers and product managers. It seemed that these guys really believed in what they created, and were truly striving to produce something extraordinary given the current limitations of technology, manufacturing, the market, and the need to create a decent margin. Whoever does the production and "marketing" of the B&W videos did a really nice job - minimal hype, letting the products and engineers speak for themselves.

I am an engineer (civil not acoustical &#128527, and we always strive to design and build the best bridge, treatment plant, reservoir, etc. given the limitations of time, technology, and the $$ available. We're really proud of what we do, however I'm old enough now to see some of the projects I engineered in my 20s getting replaced by something newer, more efficient, and more in harmony with the environment. Technology has improved significantly, better materials are available, we learn from past projects, and we work more collaboratively than we did a generation ago.

So it is with audio. A continuously improving cycle, with future generations building on the past. One of my favorite pastimes is to operate the ham radios I built as a kid then the ones I constructed as an adult. The newer ones are "better" in many ways but they can't replace the value and joy I derived from the older models over the years. I am very thankful to have been able to own several B&W speakers over the years, and to have enjoyed the great music that they produce. I love that they keep improving what they do -- as well as the rest of the audio industry. If I could own a pair of 802D3s or 800D3s I would be very fortunate, and thankful.

The audio hobby is just so wonderful -- we get to mess around with electronics, wires, tubes, connectors, computers and vinyl, and it all produces life changing music. Now how cool is that!?
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Old 09-17-2016, 01:13 AM
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My impression of the B&W videos was that they rang true, since the guys talking were not marketing folks but engineers and product managers. It seemed that these guys really believed in what they created, and were truly striving to produce something extraordinary given the current limitations of technology, manufacturing, the market, and the need to create a decent margin. Whoever does the production and "marketing" of the B&W videos did a really nice job - minimal hype, letting the products and engineers speak for themselves. I am an engineer (civil not acoustical dde0f), and we always strive to design and build the best bridge, treatment plant, reservoir, etc. given the limitations of time, technology, and the $$ available. We're really proud of what we do, however I'm old enough now to see some of the projects I engineered in my 20s getting replaced by something newer, more efficient, and more in harmony with the environment. Technology has improved significantly, better materials are available, we learn from past projects, and we work more collaboratively than we did a generation ago. So it is with audio. A continuously improving cycle, with future generations building on the past. One of my favorite pastimes is to operate the ham radios I built as a kid then the ones I constructed as an adult. The newer ones are "better" in many ways but they can't replace the value and joy I derived from the older models over the years. I am very thankful to have been able to own several B&W speakers over the years, and to have enjoyed the great music that they produce. I love that they keep improving what they do -- as well as the rest of the audio industry. If I could own a pair of 802D3s or 800D3s I would be very fortunate, and thankful. The audio hobby is just so wonderful -- we get to mess around with electronics, wires, tubes, connectors, computers and vinyl, and it all produces life changing music. Now how cool is that!?
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See these 800d3 tuned mass dampeners.
I think what your looking at are the metal adapters that the woofer attach to. The woofer sit out so far now that hey need these adapter to attach to the metal/ plywood skeleton matrix, if that makes sense.

From the design of the 802/800 D3 the woofers do not attach to the main speaker box any longer.
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My impression of the B&W videos was that they rang true, since the guys talking were not marketing folks but engineers and product managers. It seemed that these guys really believed in what they created, and were truly striving to produce something extraordinary given the current limitations of technology, manufacturing, the market, and the need to create a decent margin. Whoever does the production and "marketing" of the B&W videos did a really nice job - minimal hype, letting the products and engineers speak for themselves.

I am an engineer (civil not acoustical &#128527, and we always strive to design and build the best bridge, treatment plant, reservoir, etc. given the limitations of time, technology, and the $$ available. We're really proud of what we do, however I'm old enough now to see some of the projects I engineered in my 20s getting replaced by something newer, more efficient, and more in harmony with the environment. Technology has improved significantly, better materials are available, we learn from past projects, and we work more collaboratively than we did a generation ago.

So it is with audio. A continuously improving cycle, with future generations building on the past. One of my favorite pastimes is to operate the ham radios I built as a kid then the ones I constructed as an adult. The newer ones are "better" in many ways but they can't replace the value and joy I derived from the older models over the years. I am very thankful to have been able to own several B&W speakers over the years, and to have enjoyed the great music that they produce. I love that they keep improving what they do -- as well as the rest of the audio industry. If I could own a pair of 802D3s or 800D3s I would be very fortunate, and thankful.

The audio hobby is just so wonderful -- we get to mess around with electronics, wires, tubes, connectors, computers and vinyl, and it all produces life changing music. Now how cool is that!?
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Great post, stjlinus.
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