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The Whole Thing Is A Fraud: High-End Cables
I had the opinion, long before Audioquest came up with their slogan, "Do no harm", and still have that opinion today. The fact is, there ARE differences between SOME cables. Some cables sound the same, some sound better, some sound horrible. If you don't hear a difference, you're lucky (blissfully so, kind of like the McDonalds hamburger lover that never tried a better burger let alone a nice steak with a descent Cabernet). But at the end of the day, pick a cable you like. Don't rely on others to tell you what you should use or like. You can however, listen to opinions and in the end, form your own opinion. If you like $0.99 per foot zip cord, use it. After all, it's your system dammit! You really do owe it to yourself to try other cables though.
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The Whole Thing Is A Fraud: High-End Cables
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At the end of the day I have heard improvement in my cable upgrades. If it's my imagination so be it.
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I'm amused when I think back to the 60's and 70's using zip cord for speaker cable and $1.99 rca interconnects from RS. I would think Shunyata and Nordost (to name a few) have extensive research and data to validate their products, especially considering their work in medical, aerospace and military fields. Sadly many people in this hobby don't have the knowledge to comprehend this "hardcore data".
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Finally, I spoke to a manufacturer of expensive cables not too long ago and he told me, “I’m going to get into making guitar cables soon…I think there’s money to be made in that market.” So I asked him what his cost would be and what he expects to sell them for. He said, “I’ll have about $15 in the cable and connectors and hope to sell them for around $250.? Honestly, I don’t think the situation is any different for the cables that audiophiles purchase…there’s way too much costs for far too little improvement. Different? Maybe. But better…it’s up to you. What you’re paying for is expensive ads in glossy magazines.
http://www.highendaudionews.com.vhos...lag.com/?p=440 |
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With two good cables to compare, I would argue that if you did a/b testing enough times with cable switching then you would probably get 50% the most expensive... basically chance. In order to do even blind ab testing with audio, you would have to be able to switch on demand and instant and there aren't many tools that allow this for big system components. That being said, I have pricey cables...I personally think they alter the sound but in a way that I like. (Transparent ultra) I don't think the industry is a fraud or people wouldn't buy it. I think the industry plays to the strength and the limitations like everyone else I feel that if you find some cables and they make you happy then buy them
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I think both can be true : cables can make a difference AND they are a way overpriced. For example, most cable companies have product lines which double in price as you go up. There is no possible way that they really cost twice as much to make. It's all gouging. And unfortunately we pay it. I'm guilty.
But when you have a highly resolving system there is no doubt that there is a difference. Especially when you are talking about the whole "loom". |
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That however does not make him an expert in all things nor above committing the same sins in his article that he is saying the wire industry commits. The article is meant to do one thing, keep his name in the public view which it accomplishes admirably. |
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