When does Science Become Science Fiction?

[Charles]

Science becomes science fiction when:

1) It states the DNA Code is the product of random chance. Life cannot exist without the DNA Code. Do you disagree?

2) States we will establish a base on the moon.

3) It maintains we will land human beings on Mars. Because of its thin atmosphere, even landing on Mars is next to impossible. Also, what's the point of landing on Mars?

4) It states humanity will ever encounter ET. The Universe is much larger than first thought. It is infinite. In the observable universe (92 billion light years across) there are a trillion trillion galaxies. Each of them may contain a half trillion stars and planets. This fact makes encountering ET impossible or so improbable as to be a waste of time. Spending billions building ever larger telescopes in an attempt to accomplish the impossible is a monumental waste of time and money.

5) It thinks it's going to discover a "new physics". Building ever larger super colliders is a monumental waste of time and money.

When is the madness going to stop? We are on our own. ET is not going to come to our rescue. For whatever reason we are not the product of random chance. We should admit that and that in the distant past we been poisoned and thus our genome is severely malfunctioning and that our genome needs repairing. Humanity should band together to save our planet and ourselves. It's the only one we have or ever will have. Our oceans are full of plastic and plutonium. The atmosphere is becoming increasing polluted by fossil fuels. It is warming at an alarming rate. The earth is contaminated with horrible waste and this waste is seeping into our oceans.

Science needs to be refocused on the areas and subjects that can help us. We don't have a blank check. We needs cures, not endless expensive treatments. We need a healthy planet.

Treating the diseases caused by mutation and aging is an incorrect wasteful approach to disease.

MUTATION should be considered a disease and primarily treated AS A DISEASE.

Likewise AGING.

[Charles]

There are 8,760,000 hours in 1000 years. This is roughly 9 million hours. There are perhaps 500 radio telescopes in the world. If all the radio telescopes on earth listened to each galaxy for just one hour and then moved on to the next, there would still be uncounted trillions of galaxies left to listen to after the 1000 years was up. Because of the incredible size of the observable Universe, attempting to contact ET is the definition of FUTILITY. I repeat, the observable Universe is 92 billion light years across and contains way more galaxies than previously thought. Finding ET is pure science fiction yet humanity will never stop trying.

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[PHC1]

Charles, I’m a rational guy and far from a tin-foil hat, conspiracy theorist. What I saw with my own eyes in very early 1970’s right above my head made me a believer that the ET is not only out there, they are here and probably have been here all along.

Don’t tell me that nearly 50 years ago a craft with no visible flying surfaces was able to maintain perfectly motionless hover in total silence as to defy gravity and physics as we know it. To top it all off, it slowly morphed from a bright, perfectly round flying object made of highly polished metal into a barely visible silhouette and took off at a rate of acceleration and speed no human could ever survive. I saw what I saw and the tingling sensation that made me look above my head were real. I was only a child and knew nothing of UFO and ET so no bias or imagination could have played a trick on me.

Who or what they are is a different story but I don’t believe in all these incredibly lucky odds of life in this universe and this planet without intervention. The fine tuning is just way too much to be a coincidence. That includes the Moon and all its mysteries

[doggiehowser]

When I was interviewed for a place in university, the interviewer (a scientist) made a distinction between pure science research and research for applied sciences (and engineering)

One is focused on blue skies - without constraints. Just to further human knowledge. Astronomy would have been viewed as nonsense or a waste of time in Galileo’s time as well but our fascination led us to explore the stars which in turn created technologies like faster computers and rocket and engine technologies that we use in daily life.

I think there are people with talents suited for pure scientific research and others who are better at honing and applying technologies that we can use.

I don’t think we should ever try to shoehorn people into only one approach.

For the record, I was in the same school of thought of applying and researching to improve the quality of life. Needless to say, I didn’t get into that department [emoji51] I did end up in engineering though.

But that interview gave me an insight into how the other half were trying to do.

[radio times]

I was about to post the impossibility of Mars. Granted there's a huge mountain but it's a very relaxed slope. Then there's the water, you'd have to bring it with you, and for the return journey. And stop it being irradiated. And then you'd have to decontaminate your space suit every time you pop out for a walk, and probably yourself to if you've been out in the sun to long with a possible tear in the suit. And in your lovely nuclear powered shelter, three month long planet wide dust storms would make the view's quite dull after awhile, and boy does the dust get everywhere. When will that corner shop open?

[Charles]

Originally Posted by PHC1

Charles, I’m a rational guy and far from a tin-foil hat, conspiracy theorist. What I saw with my own eyes in very early 1970’s right above my head made me a believer that the ET is not only out there, they are here and probably have been here all along.

Don’t tell me that nearly 50 years ago a craft with no visible flying surfaces was able to maintain perfectly motionless hover in total silence as to defy gravity and physics as we know it. To top it all off, it slowly morphed from a bright, perfectly round flying object made of highly polished metal into a barely visible silhouette and took off at a rate of acceleration and speed no human could ever survive. I saw what I saw and the tingling sensation that made me look above my head were real. I was only a child and knew nothing of UFO and ET so no bias or imagination could have played a trick on me.

Who or what they are is a different story but I don’t believe in all these incredibly lucky odds of life in this universe and this planet without intervention. The fine tuning is just way too much to be a coincidence. That includes the Moon and all its mysteries

PHC1, you make a very good point. There are things in the heavens and earth that defy human logic. I agree with you. I really do. Not just sayin this to be friendly. My point is that if ET is here and among us, it is they who will make contact when they choose to. We will not ever find them by spending billions upon billions in a useless search of the heavens with radio telescopes. The Universe is way too big. Do you agree?

[Charles]

Originally Posted by doggiehowser

When I was interviewed for a place in university, the interviewer (a scientist) made a distinction between pure science research and research for applied sciences (and engineering)

One is focused on blue skies - without constraints. Just to further human knowledge. Astronomy would have been viewed as nonsense or a waste of time in Galileo’s time as well but our fascination led us to explore the stars which in turn created technologies like faster computers and rocket and engine technologies that we use in daily life.

I think there are people with talents suited for pure scientific research and others who are better at honing and applying technologies that we can use.

I don’t think we should ever try to shoehorn people into only one approach.

For the record, I was in the same school of thought of applying and researching to improve the quality of life. Needless to say, I didn’t get into that department [emoji51] I did end up in engineering though.

But that interview gave me an insight into how the other half were trying to do.

doggiehouser, Amazingly, I totally agree with you. There is a place and a large one for pure research. However, pure scientific research must have a direction. It will be governed by the worldview of the scientist doing it. I believe the "other half" to be governed by a false paradigm, one that steadfastly maintains that the human race is the product of random chance. I absolutely used to believe that. I don't anymore. I believe my study of biochemistry and the DNA Code proves that.

When Michelle Thaller admits that theoretical physics is in a rabbit hole, this is an amazing admission. Totally misdirected pure research is worthless research. All research must be interpreted. You are a scientist. You know what I mean.

PHC1 is a very intelligent layperson. He really understands nothing about science. That's no knock against him at all. But he does understand that there are things that simply don't add up, that will never and can never be explained by the worldview of theoretical physics, which is going absolutely nowhere in a hurry. While we wait on them for the next breakthrough, which will never come, humanity is dying by the millions from old age and mutation, both of which are actually caused by fundamental cellular malfunction.

PHC1 believes in ET. That ET is among us and has visited us frequently. His belief is far closer to the truth concerning our existence, than is the belief of Michelle Thaller who actually believes she is the product of ancient super novae.

I believe in our ancient past, the progenitors of our race ingested a powerful scientifically designed/engineered genetic poison. This poison caused their cells and the cells of all their progeny (us) to function basically like the cells of the lower organisms (like bacterial cells), which thrive on mutation and do not age. This poison deactivated our telomerase and limited our cells' ability to divide to about a maximum of about seventy.

Random chance says aging and mutation are natural and to be expected. The genome can be explained in terms of random chance but there are difficulties which I cannot go into with a "random chance" interpretation.

A "toxic ingestion" paradigm provides a much better understanding of the organization of the human genome.

I believe we have been visited by ET on multiple occasions and that they are actively engaged in our existence. They have a technology and existence we cannot understand. We will never discover them until they choose to manifest themselves to us.

So you see, pure research trying to contact ET is worthless. They are already here. This makes a trip to Mars searching for Life useless.

I hope folks are hearing what I am saying. I have felt for a long time that any breakthrough will not come from theoretical physics which is so lost it is truly incredible. Their lostness is as large as the Universe they cannot ever comprehend.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by radio times

I was about to post the impossibility of Mars. Granted there's a huge mountain but it's a very relaxed slope. Then there's the water, you'd have to bring it with you, and for the return journey. And stop it being irradiated. And then you'd have to decontaminate your space suit every time you pop out for a walk, and probably yourself to if you've been out in the sun to long with a possible tear in the suit. And in your lovely nuclear powered shelter, three month long planet wide dust storms would make the view's quite dull after awhile, and boy does the dust get everywhere. When will that corner shop open?

Radio times, I could not have said it better but nevertheless, will try. When you understand their is no way to rehearse a Mars landing and that it is basically impossible to begin with, why are we spending these billions? And just three months dust storms? Try one to two year storms that cover the entire planet. Try soil that is full of poison. Try no protection from lethal cosmic rays. Try psychiatric problems (like "terminal" home sickness) which no one can predict or medical problems like acute appendicitis. What! You mean there will be no hospital or OR? Try totally unknown medical problems that almost certainly will arise from years of no gravity and being pummeled with cosmic rays. Try a simple UTI that needs a culture and specific antibiotic or a laceration that needs suturing. A bad UTI or prostatitis should be expected and is exquisitely painful. There are numerous other common incapacitating medical conditions brought on by severe stress that cannot ever be treated on Mars. Kidney stone for example. Ever had one? I could name at least one hundred. NASA needs to get real. "If you must, NASA, explore it using robots." Going to Mars for humans is pie in the sky!

[radio times]

I agree Charles, and I'm a super dooper lay person.( well, a frisson of nursing). It's completely crazy, better to spend the money to avoid Hooverville's. It's so sad looking at my friends in the music biz, their all out of work, one poor guy did a hospitality/hotelier degree. They'l be digging 60 miles in to Europa next for space newts, the final frontier.