Shunyata PC burn in.

[MyPal]

Toga... Ingenious. Good for you for not wasting electricity!

[TOGA]

I think the iMac or any desktop PC in Sleep mode would work too, refrigerator will not work as it will stop most of the time. Even some power amp in STBY mode keep consuming electriityc, that should work too. I don't have fan so I have to find alternative. I use class A amp, I don't think I am green, however.. Toga

[MyPal]

Toga...Have a look at the Furutech Flux-50 thread. These with Shunyata are crazy good.

[Crion]

Originally Posted by MyPal

Toga...Have a look at the Furutech Flux-50 thread. These with Shunyata are crazy good.

MyPal, do you have any impressions regarding shunyata xxx/Furutech Flux cable with Furutech Flux 50 filter vs a single Shunyata Alpha digital?

I have neither for test and contemplating a move forward. Any hint would be appreciated.

[MyPal]

Crion....that's a very interesting question. I do find it amusing that the Alpha did get a pre-launch heads up coinciding with when the discussions heated up here on the Flux-50. And it is interesting that the Alpha is 1/3rd of the price of the Anaconda & in many applications is outperforming its bigger brothers. Just sayin'.

I have two Zitron Anacondas coming to feed the Cyclops from the wall which in turn will feed Siltech Ruby Mountain II G7s with Flux-50s fitted into the MC2301s. I have Furutech power & Flux-50 everywhere else. Furutech also feed in both Talos'.

I cannot see myself buying any more Zitron cable apart from these two Anacondas which have now been shipped.

Rest assured that the Flux-50 is not current limiting. Furutech have confirmed this. They are playing nicely with all of my amps & with the Shunyata Hydras.

[BlueFox]

Originally Posted by MyPal

Rest assured that the Flux-50 is not current limiting. Furutech have confirmed this. They are playing nicely with all of my amps & with the Shunyata Hydras.

Does Furtech now have the ability to measure DTCD? I seem to remember reading somewhere Shunyata was going to make their discovery available to others.

[CGabriel]

Originally Posted by MyPal

Crion....that's a very interesting question. I do find it amusing that the Alpha did get a pre-launch heads up coinciding with when the discussions heated up here on the Flux-50. And it is interesting that the Alpha is 1/3rd of the price of the Anaconda & in many applications is outperforming its bigger brothers. Just sayin'.

The Alpha Digital cable has been in R&D for over 2 years. Personally, I do not particularly follow what other manufacturers are doing. We are too busy doing research and developing new products. I am not even sure what the FLUX50 is and what it does. Perhaps it has a similar purpose as the Alpha Digital? Does it? Do they supply any actual measurements that demonstrate its performance?

And lastly, regarding all the buzz on this forum - I wasn't even aware that this forum existed until Grant told me about it just a couple of months ago.

Also just sayin'

[MyPal]

Caelin....Can I refer you you back to the following July 2013 thread which clearly states my inquires to you on using Furutech Flux with Shunyata products. Thank you for your thoughts.

http://www.audioaficionado.org/shuny...ditioners.html

Similarly, when I receive my Zitron Anacondas, I will post my thoughts on how they interact in my system when used in conjunction with other products, whether that be positive or negative.

I would be very surprised if your company is not abreast with what your competition is doing in your market space. I'm inclined to think they are.

Originally Posted by CGabriel

Thanks for moving the post.

We do not use any Furutech products or technology in our products. I have a great deal of respect for Furutech and the products that they produce. I believe that they set the standard in aesthetics for connectors. I was not familiar with the products but went to their website to look it up. From the description, these appear to be conventionally designed T or pi filters. However, I am quite sure that they are using superior quality caps and coils within the unit. Input AC filters are commonly used by component manufacturers to inhibit line noise and transient spikes. They are generally beneficial when used within a component or used inline per component. Now - there is no free lunch. When you introduce a filter inline there is a corresponding reduction of DTCD (instantaneous current). It is simple physics. You cannot introduce a series coil and then say that there is NO decrease in instantaneous current delivery. It is the very nature of a coil to impede or resist a change in current flow. The only question would be to relevance and if the reduction translates a change in perceived performance.

If I believed that an AC input filter was beneficial to our power conditioner, I would have custom designed and built it into each unit. Every coil and capacitor has a correponding resonant behavior. When you cascade these type of devices the result can be unpredictable. In other words, filters are reactive and interact with one another. If you have a power conditioning device with filters and an electronic component with an AC filter input and then add a third filter between them the result is highly conditional. We prefer to design our products with the least amount of variable reactance with audiophile grade components to ensure a consistently positive perfomance across a broad spectrum of equipment.

So the answer to your question is - you have to try it in your own system on each component. Just because it is positive on one component does not guarantee good results on another. The other variable is the level of actual noise on your specific power line. It you have a high amount of noise on the line then it will be more likely to have a positive result. With the inevitable reduction of DTCD, the components most likely to have a negative result will be those that pull high amounts of current - like an amplifier or a power conditioner. But as I said it is unfortunately very conditional and dependent upon equipment design and the power line environment.

Hope that helps.

cg

[CGabriel]

Originally Posted by MyPal

Caelin....Can I refer you you back to the following July 2013 thread which clearly states my inquires to you on using Furutech Flux with Shunyata products. Thank you for your thoughts.

http://www.audioaficionado.org/shuny...ditioners.html

Similarly, when I receive my Zitron Anacondas, I will post my thoughts on how they interact in my system when used in conjunction with other products, whether that be positive or negative.

I would be very surprised if your company is not abreast with what your competition is doing in your market space. I'm inclined to think they are.

You know, you are right. I did not remember this. Sorry.

As far as being abreast of what other people are doing - as I said I don't follow it. There a just too many companies and too many products to deal with. Grant and Richard deal with sales and marketing and the competition on a daily basis, but I do not.

As for Furutech, we have used their connectors in the past and do have great respect for them as a company. What other products they make and sell - I am not familiar with at all. As for the filter adapter that you refer to, it really didn't make an impression when I went to the website because it just appeared to be a common AC filter that would normally be installed in a component's AC input module. I didn't really get a good understanding from their website what it is so I may be completely off on this. I didn't see any measurements that I recall. If there are any I am sure someone will correct me.

So, apology to you again. It just didn't make an impression at the time.

[MisterBritt]

It got to where I was looking back for Caelin's remarks so often I simply printed them. Now I just kind of stare at them while the breaking in continues. Ha.

Oh, today the 1.8 meter Z-Tron Pythons arrived with what I was told to be ~ 35-40 hours on them. I put them on the amps. Promising. But the bass is indeed "pitchy," per Phase One, Day Two. When my burn-in adaptors arrive we'll get this show on the road.