The magical Typhon

[davedran]

Caelin and Grant,

I have finally joined the Triton & Typhon club (each fed by a Zitron Anaconda)
... and now I understand what all the fuss was about. Since I have two
dedicated lines, I've been experimenting at hooking up the Typhon in different
ways. I was guessing that I would like it best in parallel with my power amp,
but currently my ears like it best connected in parallel with the Triton
(i.e., the other half of the wall outlet).

My questions are:

1. I've been told that once burned-in and installed, the Typhon continue to
improve (charge?) for about 5 days. Is this correct?

2. If the first question is even close to correct, When I unplug the Typhon
what is the rate of decay? In other words, if I transfer the Typhon from
from being in parallel with the first line and immediately replug it in
parallel with the second line, should I expect a degredation in the Typhon's
performance and if so, for how long?

3. Is a Zitron Anaconda umbilical power cord orderable separately?
If I can live with the shorter length to the wall outlet, would the shorter
length improve the performance of a Triton?

Regards,

Dave

[davedran]

I realize this post isn't related to this thread, but I was denied the privilege
when I tried to start a new thread.

Anyone have any experiences they are willing to share regarding using various
Shunyata power cords to power a turntable, and what worked best for you, or
if they made any difference at all? BTW, my turntable is a VPI Classic 3.

Also, is it better to power the turntable through the Triton even though the
it would seem that the noise from the motor could impair the audio performanc
of the preamp, pre-preamp, SACD player, tuner, etc., or is it better to power
the turntable through a "dirty" circuit?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Dave

[CGabriel]

Originally Posted by davedran

I realize this post isn't related to this thread, but I was denied the privilege
when I tried to start a new thread.

Anyone have any experiences they are willing to share regarding using various
Shunyata power cords to power a turntable, and what worked best for you, or
if they made any difference at all? BTW, my turntable is a VPI Classic 3.

Also, is it better to power the turntable through the Triton even though the
it would seem that the noise from the motor could impair the audio performanc
of the preamp, pre-preamp, SACD player, tuner, etc., or is it better to power
the turntable through a "dirty" circuit?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Dave

Hello Dave,

I have just installed the fabulous Kronos turntable. The power cable does make a difference. I have found that the new ΞTRON Alpha Digital cord works best on the power supply.

If there is a choice, I would run the turntable power cord to a separate power circuit. I don't have that choice in my home system so the Alpha Digital cord (going into a Triton) helps quite a bit. It you have a separate circuit for the turntable power supply then the cord may not make any difference.

cg

[davedran]

Thanks Cailin. You stated: "I would run the turntable power cord to a separate power circuit." I don't have a separate standalone circuit for the TT, but I do have another circuit nearby, but it is the one tied to all of the other outlets in the room, several of which are in use. Given this alternative or connecting to the Triton, which one do you think is the better option? Also, what the heck is a Zitron Alpha Digital? Might you please share some info with us? I wasn't been able to find anything on your website.

Also, any thoughts about my question just above the TT question regarding the discharge rate of a Typhon and replugging it? Thanks again for your time and thoughts.

Dave

[tunes]

Sooooo...

How do you like the Kronos?
Would love to know your initial impressions.
Chris

[CGabriel]

Originally Posted by tunes

Sooooo...

How do you like the Kronos?
Would love to know your initial impressions.
Chris

I will be posting some photos of the turntable and the installation in the Turntable forum later.

For anyone who has seen or heard the Kronos, you know that it is incredible. It is certainly one of the best turntables in the world and I was fortunate enough to acquire a PRO version. Louis only made two of these. He has one and I have the other. I haven't used a turntable very much in the past 5 years but have listened to the best at many of the trade shows that we attend.

I spent a lot of time with the digital media servers and extracting some very impressive sound. However, after spending a day with the Kronos, it is clear that digital still has a long road to travel. At least compared to the best in analog. There is just something missing in digital reproduction - perhaps it is the soul of the instruments and the performers. You feel it with a fine turntable like the Kronos and not so much through even the best digital systems.

Do I even have to say it - JMO.

Caelin

[CGabriel]

Originally Posted by davedran

Thanks Cailin. You stated: "I would run the turntable power cord to a separate power circuit." I don't have a separate standalone circuit for the TT, but I do have another circuit nearby, but it is the one tied to all of the other outlets in the room, several of which are in use. Given this alternative or connecting to the Triton, which one do you think is the better option? Also, what the heck is a Zitron Alpha Digital? Might you please share some info with us? I wasn't been able to find anything on your website.

Also, any thoughts about my question just above the TT question regarding the discharge rate of a Typhon and replugging it? Thanks again for your time and thoughts.

Dave

A turntable power supply is not in the audio path so I consider it a source of noise pollution. It can inject noise onto the other audio components in the system through both the power line and through radiated EMI. If you can put it on any circuit other than the ones that the audio components are on would be good. Barring that you want to dissipate the noise from the power supply as best you can. The Triton has noise filters that can significantly reduce this noise from being transmitted to the other components. However the Triton is not magic or perfect (nothing is) so the noise reduction is a percentage and it is relative. My turntable is plugged into the Triton.

The new cord was designed specifically for digital media servers, clocks, processors, DACs and CDPs. It measurably reduces power supply noise that is injected onto the power line. The cable has just been released and we are waiting for photos so that we can get it up on the website. We will be posting power analyzers screen captures that demonstrate the noise reduction capabilities.

Caelin

[Number95]

I recently changed the stock power cord of my Acoustic Solid Royal TT's ac motor with Anaconda Ztron. Although I have not detected any visible differences in terms of motor spinning, or rpm for microprocessor control, I bet there is less background noise while listening to the system. I am not sure if it is related to Ztron rejecting carrying noise to the rest of the audio chain which comes from a/c motor.

[AMatters]

Hello Caelin,

I like Dave's questions here, and I am curious to hear your thoughts on these:

Originally Posted by davedran

Caelin and Grant,

I have finally joined the Triton & Typhon club (each fed by a Zitron Anaconda)
... and now I understand what all the fuss was about. Since I have two
dedicated lines, I've been experimenting at hooking up the Typhon in different
ways. I was guessing that I would like it best in parallel with my power amp,
but currently my ears like it best connected in parallel with the Triton
(i.e., the other half of the wall outlet).

My questions are:

1. I've been told that once burned-in and installed, the Typhon continue to
improve (charge?) for about 5 days. Is this correct?

2. If the first question is even close to correct, When I unplug the Typhon
what is the rate of decay? In other words, if I transfer the Typhon from
from being in parallel with the first line and immediately replug it in
parallel with the second line, should I expect a degredation in the Typhon's
performance and if so, for how long?

3. Is a Zitron Anaconda umbilical power cord orderable separately?
If I can live with the shorter length to the wall outlet, would the shorter
length improve the performance of a Triton?

Regards,

Dave

Thanks,

Brian

[CGabriel]

Originally Posted by AMatters

Hello Caelin, I like Dave's questions here, and I am be curious to hear your thoughts on these: Thanks, Brian 1. I've been told that once burned-in and installed, the Typhon continue to improve (charge?) for about 5 days. Is this correct? 2. If the first question is even close to correct, When I unplug the Typhon what is the rate of decay? In other words, if I transfer the Typhon from from being in parallel with the first line and immediately replug it in parallel with the second line, should I expect a degredation in the Typhon's performance and if so, for how long? 3. Is a Zitron Anaconda umbilical power cord orderable separately? If I can live with the shorter length to the wall outlet, would the shorter length improve the performance of a Triton?

Sorry I missed the post.

1) Since the Typhon does not conduct current, it takes a very long time to burn-in. Five days burn-in is a minimum. It will continue to improve for several weeks. Since it is not in the current path it will burn-in without the system running but you must have it connected to a live circuit. If it is connected to the Triton, the circuit breaker must be in the on position.

2) If you disconnect the Typhon and plug it back in (within a few minutes) it will only take a few minutes to stabilize. If it disconnected for several days, it may take several hours to stabilize (but not days)

3) Yes and No. This is difficult for people to understand but if you will bear with me I will try to explain it. If you asked the same question about standard power cords the answers would be Yes and Yes. If the current capacity and inductance of the power cord is the same or more than the wiring in the wall (as with standard PCs) - then it will degrade DTCD as length is added. The Anaconda is not an ordinary power cord in that its current carrying capacity is greater and the inductance is significantly less than that of the wall wiring. This creates a localized low AC impedance current domain around the power supply transformer. When you shorten the Anaconda this low impedance buffer is reduced degrading performance. This is why we don't recommend excessively short power cords to components. If you want a short cord for aesthetic reasons - fine. But the performance will be reduced. Also an Anaconda is large in diameter and not easy to plug in when made less than a meter in length. Also shorter than 1.5 meter power cords are very difficult to resell and very difficult to stretch.

The Typhon is NOT in the current path and is a parallel filter for the Triton. Therefore, none the above applies. It needs as short a cord as possible to minimized the distance between the Typhon NICs (noise isolation chambers) and the Triton's internal power distribution buss. This means a longer cable is undesireable even if it is an Anaconda.

cg