I want to believe

[chessman]

Originally Posted by GaryProtein

Sorry, but I don't believe that either. IT'S A WIRE! The biggest part of "break-in" especially for something like a cable is the mind of the owner who has spent a lot of money and it getting accustomed to how something new sounds in his house.

Once again, wearing my flame-proof suit.

Gary, I was a wire skeptic for years, thinking that beyond resistance and conductivity the rest was voodoo. BUT, when I added the WireWorld loom to my rig it made a measurable difference in volume and an easily heard and significant improvement in sound quality. As to break-in of a wire, I cannot explain it, but I clearly heard it. It is ok if you think it is all in my head, but it is also in my daughter's head (who could care less about stereo) and any number of friends who heard it without being told that I had changed anything. (No need for flame suits here. The assumption is that we are sharing experiences, not trying to win arguments ).

[Stereo-head]

[jdandy]

antipop.......There is no magic formula for auditioning cables. Trust your ears and ignore everyone else's opinions. Until you have actually auditioned an interconnect or power cable, all the discussion in the world will not offer you a clue as to what it will sound like in your system. Discourse is no substitute for experience. Try different cables and trust your ears. If you hear an improvement in your system's sound, great. If not, move on. Again, trust your ears. The banter is simply audiophile bloviating. Try different interconnects and/or power cables in your own system. You'll soon discover if the touted benefits are bogus or real.

[Alki]

Originally Posted by jdandy

antipop.......There is no magic formula for auditioning cables. Trust your ears and ignore everyone else's opinions. Until you have actually auditioned an interconnect or power cable, all the discussion in the world will not offer you a clue as to what it will sound like in your system. Discourse is no substitute for experience. Try different cables and trust your ears. If you hear an improvement in your system's sound, great. If not, move on. Again, trust your ears. The banter is simply audiophile bloviating. Try different interconnects and/or power cables in your own system. You'll soon discover if the touted benefits are bogus or real.

Very well said.

I have tried different cables and if I hear no difference I move on, if I hear something I like than the purchase is made. All that should matter is what you hear and not what others say you should hear.

Lucky for me I have a dealer that I have known for 30 years and he lets me borrow stuff to try at home.

[stereotek]

Originally Posted by Alki

Very well said.

I have tried different cables and if I hear no difference I move on, if I hear something I like than the purchase is made. All that should matter is what you hear and not what others say you should hear.

Lucky for me I have a dealer that I have known for 30 years and he lets me borrow stuff to try at home.

As a dealer and a end user I can asure you that the biggest improvements comes from power. Once you have very clean power and dedicated power lines, speaker cables and interconnects become more apparent, with more natural soundstage and many other benefits in sound quality.

[MyPal]

Here we grow again.......

I was a sceptic & for many years too. Now I am a sucker..but for sound science & not voodoo science. There is valid science to high purity precious metals that are drawn & wound methodically, carefully shielded & terminated. You only have to look at what the aerospace industry do.

IMO tuning mediocre wire with passive electronics in the termination or joined inside of some welded black box in the middle of a run is voodoo science.

Good quality cable of comparable metallurgical composition sounds very similar after 1000hrs. Some take longer than others to get there... Just sayin'

[antipop]

Originally Posted by jdandy

antipop.......There is no magic formula for auditioning cables. Trust your ears and ignore everyone else's opinions. Until you have actually auditioned an interconnect or power cable, all the discussion in the world will not offer you a clue as to what it will sound like in your system. Discourse is no substitute for experience. Try different cables and trust your ears. If you hear an improvement in your system's sound, great. If not, move on. Again, trust your ears. The banter is simply audiophile bloviating. Try different interconnects and/or power cables in your own system. You'll soon discover if the touted benefits are bogus or real.

That's definitely what I need to do. It reassures me that I don't have to go into a ritual to really assess the quality of a cable*. Just like for my speaker, listen to the first onem then the second one if I don't notice a change it's probably because there is none.

I've already tried listening during hours at a cable switching between the first and second. After a while, I found myself in a quite ridiculous position trying to assess if I had more ding at the beginning of one song with cable A than with cable B... So I just gave up and enjoyed the music instead


*i heard the proper way was after installing a cable to first run counterclockwise in the room then clockwise to give more mana to the electrons. You could get extra mana by invocking the spirit of the musician you are going to listen to.

[GaryProtein]

Originally Posted by antipop

That's definitely what I need to do. It reassures me that I don't have to go into a ritual to really assess the quality of a cable*. Just like for my speaker, listen to the first onem then the second one if I don't notice a change it's probably because there is none.

I've already tried listening during hours at a cable switching between the first and second. After a while, I found myself in a quite ridiculous position trying to assess if I had more ding at the beginning of one song with cable A than with cable B... So I just gave up and enjoyed the music instead


*i heard the proper way was after installing a cable to first run counterclockwise in the room then clockwise to give more mana to the electrons. You could get extra mana by invocking the spirit of the musician you are going to listen to.

That's a good post to.

[antipop]

Originally Posted by stereotek

As a dealer and a end user I can asure you that the biggest improvements comes from power. Once you have very clean power and dedicated power lines, speaker cables and interconnects become more apparent, with more natural soundstage and many other benefits in sound quality.

I plan on asking my dealer if he could loan me a P5 to try it in my system. Though I kinda understood that the electricity was cleaner in France than in the US (something about nuclear power being more stable than coal powered)

Originally Posted by MyPal

I was a sceptic & for many years too. Now I am a sucker..but for sound science & not voodoo science. There is valid science to high purity precious metals that are drawn & wound methodically, carefully shielded & terminated. You only have to look at what the aerospace industry do.

IMO tuning mediocre wire with passive electronics in the termination or joined inside of some welded black box in the middle of a run is voodoo science.

Good quality cable of comparable metallurgical composition sounds very similar after 1000hrs. Some take longer than others to get there... Just sayin'

You have to admit that there is so much voodoo that it's hard to know where the real science is. Trust me I do believe in what you say and this is what I want to experience. I can understand the basic physics behind resistance, inductance, ... but there are some things that I really don't grasp the science behind.

[GaryProtein]

Originally Posted by MyPal

. . . Good quality cable of comparable metallurgical composition sounds very similar after 1000hrs. Some take longer than others to get there... Just sayin'

How could a company design and build a prototype when it takes 1000 hours [that's SIX WEEKS folks] to break in and see if their design accomplishes their goals before moving on to the next prototype design test?