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[Masterlu]

Originally Posted by McKen

Is there a way to PM you? I think it's "take it offline" time...thanks

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[755a]

Originally Posted by maril555

Jonathan, I can feel your frustration. I feel exactly the same way, when my patients "improvise" and deviate from my advice. In my own defense, I have a system, that has been 'sorted out" to a significant degree, especially speakers- amplifiers part of it. So, introducing VR into the system, I fully realize a risk of potential mismatch, and am far from blaming Shindo for less, than optimal outcome. Nevertheless, I feel there is a sizable population of audiophiles out there, who use Shindo preamp outside of the full Shindo system concept. If I may speak on behalf of that group, I'd personally would greatly appreciate your input, with the understanding, that almost any solution, than a full Shindo system, might be suboptimal. And since we are on the topic, I'd love to hear your opinion on what SUT would be a good match for Koetsu Urushi, to be used with VR. PS. I do use Shindo ICs, if that can earn me some liniency

This is like when your patients say "I understand what you are saying but what if .....".

I had a shindo pre and a Mac amp. It sounded good. Now I have an all shindo/a23 system and it sounds great. Take that for what it's worth. When my clients don't take my advice I fire them. I understand where JH is coming from now that I have a system that was built to work as a system.

[755a]

Originally Posted by 755a

This is like when your patients say "I understand what you are saying but what if .....". I had a shindo pre and a Mac amp. It sounded good. Now I have an all shindo/a23 system and it sounds great. Take that for what it's worth. When my clients don't take my advice I fire them. I understand where JH is coming from now that I have a system that was built to work as a system.

Actually it does not sound great. It sounds amazing. My all shindo and a23 system has taken me to hifi places that I never though I could achieve. Satisfied is an understatement. I think over the years I have spoken to every dealer and to JH many times. They have all been fantastic and without fault. I explained what I wanted to achieve and they helped me do it. I did not try to fit a square peg into a round hole.

[maril555]

Originally Posted by 755a

This is like when your patients say "I understand what you are saying but what if .....".

I had a shindo pre and a Mac amp. It sounded good. Now I have an all shindo/a23 system and it sounds great. Take that for what it's worth. When my clients don't take my advice I fire them. I understand where JH is coming from now that I have a system that was built to work as a system.

I'm not going to argue with that.
But at this point of time, I simply have no fortitude to build a whole new system from scratch
Too much time and effort invested in the current one.
Now, had I have a chance to hear the whole Shindo system, might have changed my mind

[maril555]

BTW, cam anyone tell me how much gain internal VR SUT provides?
In other words, what is the gain of the VR MM section vs. MC?
I couldn't find this info on Shindo website

[755a]

Originally Posted by maril555

I'm not going to argue with that. But at this point of time, I simply have no fortitude to build a whole new system from scratch Too much time and effort invested in the current one. Now, had I have a chance to hear the whole Shindo system, might have changed my mind

I get it. I never had that luxury either. I had built a system I enjoyed but based on what I had read on line and in print I knew the system was not speaking to me the way I wanted it to. I bought my shindo and a23 system bit by bit. All without ever having the chance to demo in person. All based on reading and communicating with the dealers and the distributor. I took their advice with each step. I have never been disappointed .

Now some items required break in to sound how they should. My Auditorium A23 755a homage are a good example. I bought them with out hearing them and they were not cheap. They sounded good when I got them. Now after 600 hours (exactly what the manufacturer, distributor and dealer said) they sound sublime. I could not be happier.

[McKen]

I know I had less than positive things to say about Tone Imports in an earlier thread. Since then I have received very quick follow up of concern and care from Jonathan Halpern. I would therefore like to rescind my negative comment and enforce the very recent positive interaction where it is obvious they care very much about both their current and future customers. As such, I will keep Shindo systems on my future wish list of dream audio gear.

Ken

[fjn04]

My experience with the Shindo family has always been great. I have heard speaker A (90DB/4ohm), with amplifier B, in a system where a Shindo amp would not be appropriate. The pre was a Shindo, using Shindo interconnect. I'm not going to claim this system was my holy grail, but it was VERY good. I have no doubt, better than if the preamp was one of the other usual suspects. I ended up staying the course, and went with a Shindo preamp/amp/A23 cabling, and appropriate speakers. At this time, a nice pair of Valencia 846A's, and DeVore 96's. I'm certainly not looking back, only forward. I want to ad another TT setup next year, and am undecided as to which one. My Amadeus GTA, another great purchase via team Shindo, will stay. I can't see going Denon 103, although I'm sure it punches well above it's weight. Plus, I doubt it's the equal of my Tsd-15 SFL, and it apparently likes high mass arms. I am open to going with an appropriate SPU, but of course it makes the choice of tables a bit tougher. The consensus again, High mass 12" arm…. Price range is around 10K for table and arm. Here again, my price range will preclude consideration of Shindo 301, or the new SPEC table. It should be a fun and interesting year. Now back to our OP, and regularly scheduled programming. Cheers -Don

[maril555]

Nobody answered my question yet- what are the gain values for Vosne Romanee MM and MC stages?
This information cannot be a secret, can it?

[junker]

The gain values and loading are specific to the intended cartridge, and in the V-R MC design that is going to be for the Shindo Cartridge. You can estimate the step-up ratio by dividing the input sensitivity of the MM divided by the that of the MC as listed in the specs I posted for you earlier from the Shindo website.