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Old 02-22-2019, 11:05 AM
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I'm a rookie at posting so please be patient. I picked up a MC 452 demo for a killer deal and will be departing with my beloved MC 302. The problem I have is I have B & W CM10's S2, which was fine with the 302, but I don't think so with the 452.
Why would you think that? If this is a better amplifier, it will certainly work with your current speakers as well or better than your original amp and there is no need for a change.

Now, if you have a reason to want better speakers, that is another story.
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Old 02-22-2019, 09:45 PM
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Definitely agree with Kal. But I also will give a +1 to the aerial 7t. Other great choices would be elac and dali, several models to choose from in your price range.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:45 PM
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Why would you think that? If this is a better amplifier, it will certainly work with your current speakers as well or better than your original amp and there is no need for a change.

Now, if you have a reason to want better speakers, that is another story.
This.....thanks for all the insight. I'm heading up to a Mac dealer this weekend to listen to several different brands of speakers. I'm partial to B&W especially the 803 D3's.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:50 PM
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I'm a rookie at posting so please be patient. I picked up a MC 452 demo for a killer deal and will be departing with my beloved MC 302. The problem I have is I have B & W CM10's S2, which was fine with the 302, but I don't think so with the 452.
why not ?

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What speakers would you recommend with the 452? I have a 8 -10k budget. Thanks in advance for your time.
I've seen this questioned asked before and quite frankly I just don't get it , IMO you're doing things 'bass backwards'. Fall in love with speakers first and then find the engine to drive them !

as for speaker choices, take your ears for ride, find a competent dealer and listen.
You will get many recommendations for sure but most are biased to ones own.

good luck !
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Old 02-22-2019, 11:06 PM
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A quick analogy that would help to set the right path down this nutty hobby of ours.

Think of building a race car. The speakers are the chassis and the body, they shape everything that is to come. The amp is the engine, it is what propels that fancy chassis and body and the source with the rest of tweaks are the all important finishing touch, the proper racing tires.

Another words, always audition, audition, audition until you come across a proper speaker that moves you but can also reach its potential given your listening room dimensions. Not too big, it will overpower the room and sound congested and bloated, not too small, it will never have good bass response. Once the right speaker finds you, (that's right, it is not you finding it, it's the other way around ) everything else falls into place and you can take your time auditioning components that can bring out the very best of that speaker. I would also suggest spending a very good chunk of your budget on good speakers. There is not one single item after the speaker that can make as of substantial difference as the difference between different speakers.
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Old 02-23-2019, 04:23 AM
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A quick analogy that would help to set the right path down this nutty hobby of ours.

Think of building a race car. The speakers are the chassis and the body, they shape everything that is to come. The amp is the engine, it is what propels that fancy chassis and body and the source with the rest of tweaks are the all important finishing touch, the proper racing tires.

Another words, always audition, audition, audition until you come across a proper speaker that moves you but can also reach its potential given your listening room dimensions. Not too big, it will overpower the room and sound congested and bloated, not too small, it will never have good bass response. Once the right speaker finds you, (that's right, it is not you finding it, it's the other way around ) everything else falls into place and you can take your time auditioning components that can bring out the very best of that speaker. I would also suggest spending a very good chunk of your budget on good speakers. There is not one single item after the speaker that can make as of substantial difference as the difference between different speakers.
Budget? No such thing but what one can afford at present. You forgot to mention that race cars are expensive and an easy road to financial hardship. You might try a Mac XR100 (retail price 10,000.00). They are well thought of on the Mac Forum. Good luck and happy listening!

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Old 02-23-2019, 12:39 PM
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I'm a rookie at posting so please be patient. I picked up a MC 452 demo for a killer deal and will be departing with my beloved MC 302. The problem I have is I have B & W CM10's S2, which was fine with the 302, but I don't think so with the 452. What speakers would you recommend with the 452? I have a 8 -10k budget. Thanks in advance for your time.

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Old 02-23-2019, 12:49 PM
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What i've been doing the last few years has been finding used speakers I can resell without risk of serious financial loss and spending several months with them and for the most part while all the speakers have been enjoyable none have stepped up yet although my current ones sound like they're going to be keepers time will tell.

Long term listening has given me a better understanding of whats going on in my system and whats to blame on my room vs the speakers. Like you i'm married to my amp an H360 and my speakers will have to play nice with it, we gotta draw a line somewhere right?
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Old 02-23-2019, 01:04 PM
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Not sure if you are a Wilson fan, but there is a beautiful pair for sale on this forum.

https://www.audioaficionado.org/showthread.php?t=43139

Also - Aerial 7T are great speakers as others have mentioned.
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Old 02-23-2019, 04:43 PM
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You guys are awesome. You've given me a great deal to think about. I just picked up the amp and plan on hooking it up tonight (right after I find a mule to help me carry it). I hope it will make the CM 10 dance like several mentioned.

The 452 was a demo unit and the owner said it had less that 50 hours on it. I've read anywhere between 200-500 hours of break-in before it comes "alive". Again, thanks for all the insight.

Bob
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