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Old 10-15-2018, 03:07 PM
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If you take a look at this video and see what it takes to actually cut watch wheels by hand with a lathe "old school", you'll quickly realize that the 700,000 watch piece annual Rolex production for example is just not feasible with the old school technique. It's all automated now.

https://youtu.be/Nlw1NQQGlXI
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Old 10-15-2018, 05:49 PM
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Define a “watchmaker”? So if a skilled watchmaker does not work for Patek Philippe he is not a worthy watchmaker?
I don't think that's the point here. It is very well known in the World of Horology that the worlds best (most skilled) are in Germany, Switzerland and Japan, NOT China.

Even Chinese quartz movements are considered garbage by comparison.
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I don't think that's the point here. It is very well known in the World of Horology that the worlds best (most skilled) are in Germany, Switzerland and Japan, NOT China.

Even Chinese quartz movements are considered garbage by comparison.
Japan and Germany are NOT Switzerland and by the exact copies I’d say even China has some skilled watchmakers just applying their skills with wrong ethics. So my point is still define “watchmaker” outside of the country or place he works.
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By the way, Beijing and Shanghai watches factories as well as Parnis, Cadisen and a few others are reputable Chinese watchmakers with a few specializing in mechanical movements that are considered very good quality. Some use Japanese movements, some are copies of the ETA. Some have been around since the 1950’s but are mostly producing for domestic market. No surprise there since they are “homage” of some of the Swiss watches and you can’t step on the Swiss cartel’s territories.
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Old 10-15-2018, 06:16 PM
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I’ve owned quite a few IWC, Rolex, Pateks, Audemars and Breguets at one point. At the end of the day, with all the history, reputation and precision craft of the Swiss, they still couldn’t keep accurate time like any quartz movement can. Jewelry for the wrist? I’m over it
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Old 10-15-2018, 07:37 PM
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Define a “watchmaker”? So if a skilled watchmaker does not work for Patek Philippe he is not a worthy watchmaker? Even if a watchmaker in China is putting together a fake watch with complications with skill and precision, is he not a watchmaker? If you are an experienced physician working in your private practice and another is on staff at the Mayo Clinic, does that make you less of a physician? The snobbery is precisely the target client of the Swiss watch makers with their exhuberant prices.
With all due respect it seems as though you're completely misunderstanding my comments, so please don't attribute any such snobbery to me. To clarify my post I never questioned the ability of any watchmakers regardless of their nationality, but rather only raised doubt to ERA's own claims that their watch is made by the same watchmakers as the major brands (which happen to be Swiss). The free market will determine their ultimate success or failure, to each their own.
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With all due respect it seems as though you're completely misunderstanding my comments, so please don't attribute any such snobbery to me. To clarify my post I never questioned the ability of any watchmakers regardless of their nationality, but rather only raised doubt to ERA's own claims that their watch is made by the same watchmakers as the major brands (which happen to be Swiss). The free market will determine their ultimate success or failure, to each their own.
Bill, perhaps there is more truth to their statement than what it sounds like initially. Certainly they don't mean that the Swiss watchmakers are moonlighting for them but I can certainly understand what they are saying when they say that same watchmakers are making their watches. When one goes to a hospital at night these days, who reads the cat scans and MRI? Doctors from other countries since our radiologists are sound asleep at those hours. Does that necessarily indicate that your cat scan or mri was read wrong? Can we not trust the radiologists from other countries to be just as skilled and knowledgeable? Can one not say your CT was read by "the same radiologist from India as the US radiologist?

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This Tourbillon is a cheap knock off, really not worth anything to me. To each their own.
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This Tourbillon is a cheap knock off, really not worth anything to me. To each their own.
This Tourbillon works just like any other Tourbillon. Whether someone is willing to pay in the six figures or three for it is their choice. Point being they CAN build it for under $1k and the $100,000 to over $1M tourbillons are just irrational exuberance and the Swiss grabbing as much dough as they can from those that are willing to fork it over but you are right, to each their own.

There is PrimaLuna for $3000 and there is Audio Note Gaku on for $300,000 Both are tubes and both play music, there is no difference other than, I don't know exactly what but a blind test will not reveal much.
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I’ve owned quite a few IWC, Rolex, Pateks, Audemars and Breguets at one point. At the end of the day, with all the history, reputation and precision craft of the Swiss, they still couldn’t keep accurate time like any quartz movement can. Jewelry for the wrist? I’m over it
Serge, I don't know if I should laugh, cry or puke at the above. At one point you're making fun of the snobbery of fine watches and then you need to remind us of where you once 'resided' ........ sad.

For the record, my Grandfather, a watchmaker, schooled at Hamilton in Lancaster, Pa. taught me to respect and appreciate fine watches.

As for your comment above regarding 'quartz', my Great Grandfathers 1888 Waltham Appleton Tracy still keeps excellent time, with it's original movement, lets see one of your quartz movements do that after 130 years !
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