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For example, how does one measure the way that a Stradivarius sounds differently than a Guanerius? Yet, we can all hear that they sound different in character and quality.
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To my ears the R1 suffers dynamically when crossed over too low, and even if it's not it needs a high order filter. Crossed over above 4kHz and 4th order L-R, it sounds nice enough, sure, but distortion is still much higher than the distortion from a diamond dome, even at 5 or 6kHz. Fwiw, I've measured both. I haven't measured the new D3 models but distortion from my D2's is astonishingly low above about 300Hz, and lowest in the 1-4kHz region, where it's well below 0.1% at around 90dB SPL. What counts for 'dynamic' from a subjective standpoint is of course subjective, but I think it's the slight reticence in the presence region (1-3kHz) power response, synonymous with B&W, that creates an illusion of being less dynamic than some other speakers, although also subject to the listening environment of course. Btw, I ended up using the RAAL ribbons instead of Raven's, and they're really quite something. Best ribbons I've heard by far. |
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When the m1 was developed in 1996, the Raven had not yet been put into production. The original Raven design unit for the m1 utilized a separate transformer - this was before the Raven production which saw the transformer mounted on the rear. Production units arrived in time for the m1 introduction at CES. I offer this only as background info since no one else seems to know anything about Alan's speakers. |
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Personally, I take the view that everything is relevant to some extent, where those extents are subject to individual personal preferences. And very appreciated. Unfortunately, google searching comes up with mostly blanks, apart from the 1994 Metaphor 2 Stereophile review. Last edited by Art Vandelay; 09-28-2017 at 02:38 AM. |
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I read the reviews for fun. The heavenly language that some are able to conjure up is truly a thing of beauty.
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I just read the review. I'm trying to figure out what all the fuss is about. There's not a negative word in the entire thing. |
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Firstly, that the reviewer isn't familiar with the 800D3 predecessors and is unable to offer a personal opinion on subjective improvements, and secondly that he was similarly unable to offer opinion on how they compare with today's competition. If I was looking to be picky I might also question the reviewer's overall level of objectivity, when he said..... Quote:
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And the review finishes on this high note: "Needless to say, I highly recommend an audition of the 800 D3. Just don’t expect to hear much." I appreciate what the reviewer is saying - that the 800D3 is a very neutral sounding speaker, but as someone who has heard 800D3's, I was mostly struck more by how very much I was hearing - of the music itself, which at the end of the day is what it's all about. In fairness though, the review isn't all bad and makes some very valid points to do with speaker placement and listening / boundary distances etc. But putting myself in the position of someone who is a prospective purchaser, the review doesn't offer too much, and if it doesn't that's a problem, because that's why the magazine exists. |
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