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Old 10-09-2020, 05:13 PM
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Gosh Serge. If I had to break that cord I'd just get out of the hobby all together.
I'm discovering much more music than ever. I am listening to much more music than ever...

Don't have to store and obsessively clean records. Not to mention I was spending upwards of $50 per new record and now I have access to pretty much EVERYTHING out there for less than one vinyl record a month. The days of storing 1000's of CDs and 800+ records I had is over. To each their own though and I understand those that are still into it.
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Old 01-07-2021, 07:09 PM
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Hello to you all,

I currently use a Rega P6 with the Ania cartridge, connected in the MC input of my McIntosh C52. The C52 preamp is feeding an MC462 power amp, connected to a pair of Wilson Audio Sabrina.

I am quite new in the TT world, two years since I bought my TT and start collecting vinyls. I really enjoy the medium and the mastering done for it.

I believe I have a good hearing, but for your information, I can't hear a difference between a Spotify (320kbps) and Tidal Lossless. I think that the difference will lie in a different mastering or a signal manipulation, if a difference is noticeable. But I can definitely hear a difference between the C52 DAC and the RME ADI-2 DAC, streaming the same source (of course), and prefer the RME. And I am not the type of guy upgrading my ethernet cable to have better sound...

I really enjoy the RP6, but I am wondering what would be the difference between it and the HW-40 or the VPI Prime.

I recently started looking at Oracle Delphi. The factory is an hour drive from home, but then I was thinking about the look of it and how I would probably prefer something more sober like the SME Model 12, the VPI Prime or the Rega P10.

The HW-40 seems fun to operate. The power supply is integrated, there is not belt and maintenance seems easier on a direct-drive TT.

Is it day and night between TT, is it more a question of taste ? Will I have to have a separate Phono preamp or the C52 built-in is good enough for a higher-end TT?

Do you have some advice ? Thought ?

Will I get something more from another TT than the RP6, knowing my audio gear?

Thank you !
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Old 01-08-2021, 04:41 AM
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Is it day and night between TT, is it more a question of taste ? Will I have to have a separate Phono preamp or the C52 built-in is good enough for a higher-end TT?
Of course personal preference is always a factor for any piece of audio gear.

The primary job of a turntable is two-fold. Spin the record at 33-1/3 rpm and do so quietly. The more stable the rotation at 33-1/3 and the quieter the 'table the clearer the sound. Improved timing means less signal smearing which means improvements in sonic characteristics related to time, such soundstage, tonality, articulation, etc. As you'd expect, the better the design, materials and implementation, the better the 'table. There can be significant sonic differences between different 'tables.

So yes, since you mentioned direct drive, I would expect a Technics SL-1000R, SP10R or Grand Prix Audio Parabolica or VPI HW-40 to sound better than a Rega P6 and not by a small amount. The phonostage brings the largest and perhaps most significant gain increase of the tiny signal coming off the cartridge. I'm not familiar with the CS52 preamp but there are quite a few excellent phonostages available as separates, often on the used market.
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Old 01-08-2021, 05:59 AM
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Technics SP10 MKII, Panzerholz plinth, Puresound Tenuto mat, Fidelity Research FR64fx arm, Orsonic AV101 Headshell, Hana ML cartridge.


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Accuphase/Canton System: ACCUPHASE E800 INTEGRATED, DP570 CD/SACD PLAYER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, PS530 POWER SUPPLY, CANTON REF K3s, CANTON REF K5s, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS MXR REFERENCE MAHOGHANY RACK w/ M3X2 SHELVES, WW GOLD CABLES
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Technics SP10 MKII, Panzerholz plinth, Puresound Tenuto mat, Fidelity Research FR64fx arm, Orsonic AV101 Headshell, Hana ML cartridge.

Mikeyb - terrific looking rig and bet it sounds at least as good as it looks.
Are those Stillpoints under the corners?
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Mikeyb - terrific looking rig and bet it sounds at least as good as it looks.
Are those Stillpoints under the corners?
Nope
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Reference System: ACCUPHASE A250 AMPS, C3850 PRE-AMP, DP950 CD/SACD TRANSPORT, DC950 DIGITAL PROCESSOR, DG-58 DIGITAL EQUALIZER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, PS1230 POWER SUPPLY, HRS-SXR CUSTOM RACK w/ M3X SHELVES, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, WW PLATINUM CABLES
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MX150, MC501(2) MC1.2KW(10) MC2301(2) MR88, MVP881, MCD1100, MDA1000, C1000C/P/T, MPC1500, ESOTERIC K-01X 30th ANNIVERSARY (BLACK) SACD/CD PLAYER, G02-X CLOCK, HT3F(2) XRT2K, XCS2K, XR27(2) JL GOTHAM SUBS(2) JL FATHOM F113v2 SUBS(4) SOUND ANCHOR STANDS(2) KALEIDESCAPE STRATO & TERRA SERVERS 80-TB, LUMAGEN RADIANCE SCALER, SONY VPH-G90U 4K PROJECTOR, STEWART 120" SCREEN, SONUS FABER STRADIVARI, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, FORTRESS SEATING, WW PLATINUM CABLES
Analog Rig: CLEARAUDIO INNOVATION WOOD, UNIVERSAL ARM w/ Da VINCI' CART, 2nd UNIVERSAL ARM w/ GOLDFINGER STATEMENT CART, HRS-MXR REFERENCE RACK-GLOSS BLACK w/ M3X SHELVES, AESTHETIX RHEA SIG PHONO-PRE, WW PLATINUM CABLES
Reference System: BURMESTER 911MK3 AMP(3), 088 PRE-AMP, 089 CD PLAYER, 100 PHONO PRE-AMP, 948 POWER CONDITIONER, ACCUPHASE DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, AVID ACUTUS REFERENCE SP TT, GRAHAM PHANTOM II SUPREME ARM, BENZ MICRO LP-S CART, GRANDIOSO P1/D1 STACK, G1 RUBIDIUM MASTER CLOCK, N05 NETWORK PLAYER, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS-SXR CUSTOM RACK w/ M3X SHELVES, SONUS FABER AIDA SPEAKERS, JL FATHOM F113v2 SUBS(2) SOUND ANCHOR STANDS(2) WW PLATINUM CABLES

Library System: GRANDIOSO M1 MONOBLOCK AMPS, C1 LINESTAGE PRE-AMP, K1X CD/SACD PLAYER, G1 MASTER RUBIDIUM CLOCK, E02 PHONO-PRE, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, AERIAL ACOUSTICS 20T V2, AERIAL SW12 SUBS(2), CANTON REF K1s, VPI HRX TT w/ SDS POWER SUPPLY, ORTOFON CADENZA BLACK CART, KLAUDIO RCM, SHUNYATA DENALI 6000/S v2, SHUNYATA OMEGA QRs, WW PLATINUM CABLES
Esoteric/Bryston System: ESOTERIC C02-X PRE-AMP, P-02X TRANSPORT, D02-X DAC, G02-X CLOCK, BRYSTON 28B3 CUBED MONOBLOCK AMPS, SHUNYATA DENALI 6000/S v2(2) AMR-DP777-SE DAC, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, TAD REFERENCE ONE MK2 LOUDSPEAKERS, QUADRASPIRE RACK, WW PLATINUM CABLES
Accuphase/Canton System: ACCUPHASE E800 INTEGRATED, DP570 CD/SACD PLAYER, T1200 FM STEREO TUNER, DG-68 VOICING EQUALIZER, PS530 POWER SUPPLY, CANTON REF K3s, CANTON REF K5s, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, HRS MXR REFERENCE MAHOGHANY RACK w/ M3X2 SHELVES, WW GOLD CABLES
Bryston Active System: BP26 PRE-AMP, MPS2 POWER SUPPLY, BAX-1 CROSSOVER, BDA-3 DAC, BDP-3 PLAYER, BCD-3 CD PLAYER, BIT15(2), MODEL T ACTIVE SPEAKERS, 21B3 CUBED AMPS, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, TARGET RACK, WW SILVER CABLES
Vintage System
: LUXMAN CL-38u SE PRE-AMP, JBL L300 SPEAKERS, BRYSTON BDA-3 DAC, BCD-3 CD PLAYER, BIT15, 3B3 CUBED AMP, SILENZIO MUSIC SERVER, WW SILVER CABLES

Shunyata Power/Digital cables, HRS Damping Plates, Stillpoints throughout all systems
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Old 01-09-2021, 04:13 AM
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Mikeyb - terrific looking rig and bet it sounds at least as good as it looks.

Are those Stillpoints under the corners?
Thanks, I really like the looks and how it sounds.

I've no idea what feet those are, they came with the plinth, but they were chosen by the person who made the plinth and he would have used them after lots of testing to find the best match isolation wise. I'll ask him what they are.

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