C1100 vs Reference 6 vs No 326s

[tima]

Originally Posted by jpgr4blu

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It seems that you do not even want to hear anything but McIntosh. You have that right. But, you therefore should not accuse others who have compared Mac to other brands and prefer others as anti-Mac or pro-something else. I can assure you, I call it as I hear it and appreciate the fact that others in this thread also hear what I hear .

+1

If we're being honest with ourselves (always risky among audiophiles) we can acknowledge there is a fair amount of fan-boy attitude at AA and it's not uncommon elsewhere. From reading threads here over the years it seems obvious that certain brands have strong and sensitive brand loyalists. No problem, just recognize the fact.

On the one hand it's not advisable (or polite) to poke the bear in his own den. On the other hand the ability to describe one's preferences and the reasons for them and the ability to engage in an X vs Y vs Z discussion without being snotty seem so fundamental to the very idea of having an open audio forum that acceptance of these behaviors going in is an unwritten rule of participation.

If one is unable to face the possibility that merely by being here you will hear opinions contrary to yours and if that causes a defensive reaction then ask yourself what you want out of participation. Wrangling is fine, debate is fine, but if you can't take it that your choices might suck for someone else, disappointment is inevitable.

[tima]

Originally Posted by SCAudiophile

Just for the record I believe the definition of a dealer demo with all the manufacturers I am familiar with states that the dealer demos in store or can use it for home demos on a specific program/timeline as it returns to them. If they sell it then it becomes used.

Right. Dealer demos of new unsold gear invariably come with a full factory warranty. Manufacturers typically treat such equipment the same as what comes from an unopened box.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by tima

+1

If we're being honest with ourselves (always risky among audiophiles) we can acknowledge there is a fair amount of fan-boy attitude at AA and it's not uncommon elsewhere. From reading threads here over the years it seems obvious that certain brands have strong and sensitive brand loyalists. No problem, just recognize the fact.

On the one hand it's not advisable (or polite) to poke the bear in his own den. On the other hand the ability to describe one's preferences and the reasons for them and the ability to engage in an X vs Y vs Z discussion without being snotty seem so fundamental to the very idea of having an open audio forum that acceptance of these behaviors going in is an unwritten rule of participation.

If one is unable to face the possibility that merely by being here you will hear opinions contrary to yours and if that causes a defensive reaction then ask yourself what you want out of participation. Wrangling is fine, debate is fine, but if you can't take it that your choices might suck for someone else, disappointment is inevitable.

I am assuming that your comment is directed at me or those like me, many of whom are Mac aficionados and may (I don't know) be tired of hearing how much better you like your gear over Mac. Personally, I've grown very tired of it. I'm not sure what your signature is, however there is a click on this website composed mainly but not exclusively of AR aficionados and to a lesser degree Dag aficionados that begin by stating how much they "love" Mac, which they used to own. Then they state their travails concerning the mountain of gear they have auditioned, much of which is in home. Gear which retails for tens of thousands of dollars each. Finally they have a REVELATION and it's guess what AR or DAG over their beloved Mac. Afterwards they never cease to tout how much they loved their Mac but nevertheless, how superior their AR or Dag is to it. All qualified by "Ymmv" what ever that stands for or some other equivalent abbrev.

When you start this kind of stuff, I will be there to call you on it unless Ivan censures me or kicks me off site. I have free speech also up to the point a moderator intervenes and says enough.

I rarely if ever use slang words like "suck". I'm not meaning to be "snotty". And yes, when the grizzly bear or male lion lion is poked in his den he will respond. I think you understand that.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by tima

Right. Dealer demos of new unsold gear invariably come with a full factory warranty. Manufacturers typically treat such equipment the same as what comes from an unopened box.

That's simply not true. You used then word "invariably" but then modified it to "typically". Do you really want me to point out the fallacies and inaccuracies of what you have just maintained/stated?

Tima I've been around the block. I've been doing this as long as you guys have. And I rarely if ever use the word "suck" or other slang, and yes, when a bear or old lion is poked long enough and hard enough he will respond. I'm not snotty. You all have every right to state your opinions but I will also state mine. I've had a my share of disappointments that's true, but you guys need to go somewhere else to get your kicks because from now on you are going to get kicked back by me when you start by touting your gear over Mac.

[audioguy3107]

Originally Posted by Charles

And yes, when the grizzly bear or male lion lion is poked in his den he will respond. I think you understand that.

This is great stuff.......please keep going!

[GSOphile]

Charles, you seem to feel a great need to split hairs and have the last word. We know what a dealer demo is. Give it a rest.

[gadawg]

Originally Posted by GSOphile

Charles, you seem to feel a great need to split hairs and have the last word. We know what a dealer demo is. Give it a rest.

If we've learned anything from this thread its that Charles will NOT give it a rest! But then again no one else will either so carry on!



George

Oh yeah ... gonna have to change my system signature again soon! Still no AR though ... sorry Charles!

[Masterlu]

Originally Posted by audioguy3107

This is great stuff.......please keep going!

Buck... you’re gonna be the guy mauled who was holding the camera.

[jpgr4blu]

Hi Joey v
I have relationships with a number of dealers over many years. If I am interested in a component and ask to take it home, the dealer understands that I am seriously interested. If I don’t purchase what I bring home, they all know I will be back to purchase something else. And we always work it out so that it is not out of the showroom for more than a day or 2 when they would have it on display. I have had nothing but good relationships with a few dealers who lend me gear and have given them a lot of business in return.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by GSOphile

Charles, you seem to feel a great need to split hairs and have the last word. We know what a dealer demo is. Give it a rest.

I'm not splitting hairs. I wouldn't have a piece of gear advertised as a demo that had been lent out from the store and in someone's home. Before this thread it never occurred to me that this kind of practice even occurred. If I owned a store, the only thing a customer would touch would be the remote control.

Everything's fine until you return the piece damaged and its a 25,000.00 piece. What happens then? Who's responsible? When your car goes to the body shop, your insurance pays for the rental but guess what, if you take the rental insurance it costs more by far per day than the rental itself.

Then when you return the rental, they give it a thorough inspection and you are responsible for any damage.

A damaged demo is a worthless piece especially if it is super expensive. No manufacturer will stand behind their warranty if they know it has been lent out and returned damaged. Accidents happen.