Anyone moving to a PerfectWave P5 or P10 Power Plant from Power Plant Premier?

[kfr01]

John: thanks! Which components do you plug into the P5?

[ChrisG]

Originally Posted by jdandy

John.......Thanks for letting us know how the P5 is working for you. Power regeneration is a marvelous thing for audio systems.

As for the efficiency of the PPP versus the P5, I don't recall ever seeing the specification relating to output efficiency versus input power consumption for the PPP. 85% certainly seems efficient for an AC regeneration product.

PS Audio doesn't print electrical specification in their manuals. They don't even provide dimensions or weight specifications, which I find unusual. Where did you find the efficiency spec?

We can't link to other websites, but if you go to PSA's forums and look for the "PPP vs P5 - what's the difference?" thread under power products, you'll see the specs of the PPP, P5 and P10...not a great deal of difference on paper. It is thread 1804 and currently on page 4.

Paul has a note saying that he edited the thread because the specs were incorrect, but I took them from published PSA docs and there were no errors when I started the thread.

[jdandy]

Chris.......Here you go. This was copied from your post on the PS Audio forum. Thanks for directing my attention to your PSA post.

What I notice is the maximum continuous load of the P5 is less than the PPP. The P10 continuous load is the same as the PPP. Studying the specification shows that the PPP does everything the P10 does for output power, minus the gadgets, bells and whistles on the P10. Honestly, I am not seeing any reason to justify the large price jump. The touch screen and it's functions, and Ethernet connectivity don't add up to an additional $2500 over the PPP's $2000 retail price. Sure, the PPP is assemble in China to PS Audio's specs, and the P5 and P10 are built in Colorado, but can the labor costs be the reason for the price spike?

PPP SpecsSpecs:

Dimensions 17” W x 16.5” D x 4” H
Weight 35 lbs
Nominal Input Voltage 105-135
Maximum Continuous Load 1200VA
Dynamic Power Delivery 0.5 second >3600VA
Voltage Regulation +/- 0.5V
Output Distortion Input 1200VA Resistive load <0.5%
Output distortion Input 1200VA reactive load <0.5%
Output impedance <0.05 Ohm
Noise reduction 100KHz-2MHz >80dB
Efficiency @1200VA Resistive load >80% Reactive load >85%
Input Frequency 45-65Hz
Under voltage limit 90VAC
Over voltage limit 145VAC
Energy dissipation 2160J
Peak Current surge 144,000A
Max Surge 6,000 Volts
Clamp level 330v
Telco protection 320 Joules 395 volts
Coax insertion loss <1dB
DC trigger config Tip positive
DC trigger Voltage 5-15 volts DC


P5 Specs

Dimensions 17” W x 14” D x 4” H
Weight 37 lbs
Nominal Input Voltage 95-145 (US) 200-285 VAC (Europe/Asia)
Maximum Continuous Load 1000VA (US) 1500VA (Europe/Asia)
Maximum Peak Load 1200VA (US) 1800VA (Europe/Asia)
Dynamic Power Delivery 0.5 second> 3600VA 9US) 5000VA (Eur./Asia)
Voltage Regulation +/- 0.5V (US) 1Vac (Europe/Asia)
Output Distortion Input 220-240VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.9%
Output Distortion 230V 240VAC 1200VA Reactive Load <0.9%
Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.5%
Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 12000VA Reactive Load <0.5%
Output Impedance <0.0015 Ohm
Noise Reduction (all zones) 100KHz-2MHz >80dB
Efficiency @ 1200VA Resistive Load > 85% Reactive Load > 85%
Input Frequency 45-56Hz
Under Voltage Limit Continuous= -10% of setting, 15 Sec Duration= -15% of setting
Over Voltage Limit Continuous= 5% of setting, 15 Sec Duration= 10% of setting
Protection Modes L-N, L-G, N-G
Energy Dissipation 2440J (US) 3670J (Europe/Asia)
Peak Current Surge 144,000A (US) 84,000A (Europe/Asia)
Max Surge 6,000 Volts
Clamp Level 330V (US) 800V (Europe/Asia)
Telco Protection 320 Joules 395 volts
Coax Insertion loss <1dB
DC Trigger config Tip Positive
DC Trigger Voltage 5-15 volts dc


P10 Specs:

Dimensions 17” W x 14” D x 8.5” H
Weight 73 lbs
Nominal Input Voltage 95-145 (US) 200-285 VAC (Europe/Asia
Maximum Continuous Load 1200VA (US) 1800VA (Europe/Asia)
Maximum Peak Load 1500VA (US) 2000VA (Europe/Asia)
Dynamic Power Delivery 0.5 second> 3600VA (US) 5000VA (Eur./Asia)
Voltage Regulation +/- 0.5V (US) 1Vac (Europe/Asia)
Output Distortion Input 220-240VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.9%
Output Distortion 230V 240VAC 1200VA Reactive Load <0.9%
Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 1200VA Resistive Load <0.5%
Output Distortion Input 110-130VAC 12000VA Reactive Load <0.5%
Output Impedance <0.0015 Ohm
Noise Reduction (all zones) 100KHz-2MHz >80dB
Efficiency @ 1200VA Resistive Load > 85% Reactive Load > 85%
Input Frequency 45-56Hz
Under Voltage Limit Continuous= -10% of setting 15 Sec Duration= -15% of setting
Over Voltage Limit Continuous= 5% of setting 15 Sec Duration= 10% of setting
Protection Modes L-N, L-G, N-G
Energy Dissipation 2440J (US) 3670J (Europe/Asia)
Peak Current Surge 144,000A (US) 84,000A (Europe/Asia)
Max Surge 6,000 Volts
Clamp Level 330V (US) 800V (Europe/Asia)
Telco Protection 320 Joules 395 volts
Coax Insertion loss <1dB
DC Trigger config Tip Positive
DC Trigger Voltage 5-15 volts dc

[Masterlu]

Thanks Chris & Dan!

[jdandy]

Well, I guess it is safe to assume no one here has traded their PPP for a P5 or P10. Even with the temporary PS Audio $1000 trade in on the PPP against the P10, the price still remained at a point that did not excite me enough let my PPP's go. Now that I have compared the P10 specifications with the PPP specs, I am convinced that keeping my four Power Plant Premiers makes good sense.

[j3brow]

Originally Posted by jdandy

Well, I guess it is safe to assume no one here has traded their PPP for a P5 or P10. Even with the temporary PS Audio $1000 trade in on the PPP against the P10, the price still remained at a point that did not excite me enough let my PPP's go. Now that I have compared the P10 specifications with the PPP specs, I am convinced that keeping my four Power Plant Premiers makes good sense.

Conventional wisdom says yes keep the PPPs, that's what I am gonna do too. On the other hand, nothing is conventional in this crazy hobby - so i wouldn't be surprised if the 5/10 sounds better. Running springs, Silver Circle Audio, Pure Power, Audience etc prob also sound great. But I'm with you Dan, my PPP continues to impress me and I see no reason to replace it.

[ChrisG]

Originally Posted by j3brow

Conventional wisdom says yes keep the PPPs, that's what I am gonna do too. On the other hand, nothing is conventional in this crazy hobby - so i wouldn't be surprised if the 5/10 sounds better. Running springs, Silver Circle Audio, Pure Power, Audience etc prob also sound great. But I'm with you Dan, my PPP continues to impress me and I see no reason to replace it.

+1

[DarqueKnight]

I have four PPP's (bedroom A/V system, two channel stereo system and two PPP's in my home theater system). I am interested in replacing the PPP in the two channel system with a P5, but I am going to wait a year until all the bugs are worked out. I recall that the PPP had to go through a "shake down" and "debugging" period when it was first introduced.

I have been following reports from P5/P10 owners on the PS Audio forum regarding software bugs, unit failures, DOA units etc. and I am in no hurry to be one of the early adopters.

[Masterlu]

Originally Posted by DarqueKnight

I have four PPP's (bedroom A/V system, two channel stereo system and two PPP's in my home theater system). I am interested in replacing the PPP in the two channel system with a P5, but I am going to wait a year until all the bugs are worked out. I recall that the PPP had to go through a "shake down" and "debugging" period when it was first introduced.

I have been following reports from P5/P10 owners on the PS Audio forum regarding software bugs, unit failures, DOA units etc. and I am in no hurry to be one of the early adopters.

So much for assembly in Colorado.

[joeinid]

Originally Posted by DarqueKnight

I am going to wait a year until all the bugs are worked out. I recall that the PPP had to go through a "shake down" and "debugging" period when it was first introduced.

Seems like early adopters are always the beta testers. I used to jump on new stuff all the time. I am trying to be more patient now. Those with working units seem to love them.