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Old 07-31-2016, 10:38 AM
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This video is a guide that I found very interesting for a complete speaker placement. I have been on board somewhat with this but I have not done the complete process. I intend to do some experimenting and I thought to pass the information along.
After viewing this video people may get the itch to re-evaluate their already existing 2channel system.
You may be missing something.

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Old 07-31-2016, 01:35 PM
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From Bob's site:

"Something was always missing though, and Bob didn't know what it was, or how to verbalize it. Then, about 13 years ago he was given the opportunity to go to Sumiko in Berkeley and get trained in their magical process - Master Speaker Setup. Everything he'd been looking and listening for in audio was discovered - the emotional involvement in the music. It convinced Bob that all the talk about the importance of specs, the criticality of equipment interfacing, all the buzz words so popular in discussions about audio, were, for the most part, irrelevant. The most important component in any audio or theater system is the proper placement and positioning of the speakers into the listening environment. Putting the speakers where they truly belong, so they don't fight each other, so they work in total unison not only with each other but also with the room, is the end all be all for proper music reproduction in the home. It will allow the music lover to experience music played in the home with all the sensory "chills and thrills" one gets when attending a concert."
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Exactly.



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From Bob's site:

"Something was always missing though, and Bob didn't know what it was, or how to verbalize it. Then, about 13 years ago he was given the opportunity to go to Sumiko in Berkeley and get trained in their magical process - Master Speaker Setup. Everything he'd been looking and listening for in audio was discovered - the emotional involvement in the music. It convinced Bob that all the talk about the importance of specs, the criticality of equipment interfacing, all the buzz words so popular in discussions about audio, were, for the most part, irrelevant. The most important component in any audio or theater system is the proper placement and positioning of the speakers into the listening environment. Putting the speakers where they truly belong, so they don't fight each other, so they work in total unison not only with each other but also with the room, is the end all be all for proper music reproduction in the home. It will allow the music lover to experience music played in the home with all the sensory "chills and thrills" one gets when attending a concert."
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I watched almost all of this video. It motivated me to work on my rake angles. Not sure Hootie is now exactly 5'8" off of my floor but both speakers are now at exactly the same angle and that has added an extra measure of coherence to the sound as well as filled in the stage - up/ down and side to side. Not sure if this makes sense, I had a good lock on a singers voice in the center and of the correct size but I still had a feeling the two speakers were there. Meaning some sounds caused me to know the right speaker was there. After adjusting the rake, that effect has almost gone completely away. And THAT tells me I am now - THERE!

I was not able to pick up what his secret sauce is above and beyond the wonderful Sumiko Masters process but he seems to know that and that is 99+% of the process.
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I watched almost all of this video. It motivated me to work on my rake angles. Not sure Hootie is now exactly 5'8" off of my floor but both speakers are now at exactly the same angle and that has added an extra measure of coherence to the sound as well as broadened the stage - up/ down and side to side.

I was not able to pick up what his secret sauce is above and beyond the wonderful Sumiko Masters process but he seems to know that and that is 99+% of the process.
I remember well Bob's visit to Berkeley.
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I'm going to watch the entire video when I get a chance later this week. I know I can do better with my speaker placement. Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks for sharing, good video.
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I watched almost all of this video. It motivated me to work on my rake angles. Not sure Hootie is now exactly 5'8" off of my floor but both speakers are now at exactly the same angle and that has added an extra measure of coherence to the sound as well as filled in the stage - up/ down and side to side. Not sure if this makes sense, I had a good lock on a singers voice in the center and of the correct size but I still had a feeling the two speakers were there. Meaning some sounds caused me to know the right speaker was there. After adjusting the rake, that effect has almost gone completely away. And THAT tells me I am now - THERE!

I was not able to pick up what his secret sauce is above and beyond the wonderful Sumiko Masters process but he seems to know that and that is 99+% of the process.

Perhaps you can eloborate on the rake?
My speakers have minor toe in and my vocals are dead center giving a 3dimensioanal sound. My neighbor swore I had an active center channel on during 2channel listening, recently.
Exactly what is the determining factor for raising the speakers from the floor so the vocals sound as if the artist is in a standing position. I noticed from the website that there were speakers on platforms/stands.
Adequate speakers stands or platform do not seem easy to come by.
My diamonds are 90lbs nor exactly easy to lift.

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changing the rake is not lifting the speakers, it's the angle of the front baffle to the floor
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changing the rake is not lifting the speakers, it's the angle of the front baffle to the floor
This is correct. To build and hopefully not too complicated but if you think of the front baffle or face of your speaker forming a 90 degree angle with the floor if perfectly level. Then If you were to raise only the front of the speakers up (say you put two quarters underneath each front spike) you would be changing the rake angle.

Follow the your speaker mfg recommendations on this. At the very least get your self a laser and make sure both speakers have the same rake. You could also just make sure the tops of both speakers is perfectly level.
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