20.7 audition underwelming

[timm]

Originally Posted by A.Wayne

Felt the same way every time i have heard any of the 20.XX, very underwhelming, I have always felt it better to spend the money on subwoofers and xovers for the 3.6/3.7 than go up to a 20....


Regards

hmmm -- I did not have that impression when comparing the 20.1 to the 3.6... however, I did not own either model or a lower model maggie at the time. The OP says that it basically did everything better....I'm not sure what else you could ask for.... I agree with that statement though. I thought the 20.x did do everything better. For me, it had that - 'well, I guess I have to jump off the cliff' difference between it and the 3.x.... I thought the 3.x sounded great - but when I heard the 20.x - it became a knee wobbler..... Now if you are trying to quantify that difference and justify the extra 8K well, I guess it just depends on the value you put on the sound. I look at it this way...If there is something I like better and I know I like it better --- best thing to do is buy it now - because I will end up buying it sooner or later anyway - and end up paying for both sets of speakers in the end.

Go listen to a pair of Alexandria Xlf's at 195K - it will make the 20.x seem like an aggregious steal....in my humble opinion of course.....

[audiot servant]

Timm - agree 100%. The 3.7s are great but the 20.7 is in every way greater.

To go panel with box subs on 3.7s is good for extension and balance but ultimately makes a trade off in terms of coherence and seamlessness which is a critical .7 series Maggie strength from my perspective and the whole reason I have panels in the first place.

The temporal performance of the current Maggies is what I reckon makes them a great reference speaker. They are timing and texture marvels.

The guys I know who have gone from 3.7s to 20.7s are more than happy on the move... and the better the gear you run on them the bigger the gap gets in the performance between the two.

I just couldn't go back... I'd have to go to a box instead, the 3.7s would only ever remind me how much I missed the 20.7s.

Graham

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[Robert_Anderson]

Has anyone heard the 3.7's with the new Maggie subs? I am eager to hear them. I am in the unenviable position of having to upgrade from 20.1's to 20.7's when no dealer really wants to take a trade in. Currently I am using a pair of Martin Logan Descents for subs. I would very much like to hear what the 3.7's can do compared to the 20.1's with the subs.

[audiot servant]

Robert - I did originally think about going with 3.7s augmenting with the dwm subs but that means in my case going for two sets of z Anaconda speaker cables with the loom I was moving towards so unfortunately the numbers stopped looking at all in favour of that as a plan.

I've only heard good things about the match up with the dwms and Bill who is the Maggie importer here has just got a few dwms in and I will see if I can have a listen if he gets them set up some time. He has a room currently chock a block full of Maggies and Devores so am sure he will get them out as soon as he can make some space.

Graham

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You could check out the new King Sound KS-10's. They are the latest panels from King Sound & are truly full range speakers, however you need a big bruiser amp like a Boulder to drive them as they're only 81db

King Sound - Speakers - KS-10

[Robert_Anderson]

Originally Posted by audiot servant

Robert - I did originally think about going with 3.7s augmenting with the dwm subs but that means in my case going for two sets of z Anaconda speaker cables with the loom I was moving towards so unfortunately the numbers stopped looking at all in favour of that as a plan.

I've only heard good things about the match up with the dwms and Bill who is the Maggie importer here has just got a few dwms in and I will see if I can have a listen if he gets them set up some time. He has a room currently chock a block full of Maggies and Devores so am sure he will get them out as soon as he can make some space.

Graham

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I look forward to hearing your results. I am renovating my home, which will take at least a year, and in the meantime renting a place that really is too small for the 20.1s', hence my interest in the 3.7's.

[Robert_Anderson]

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

You could check out the new King Sound KS-10's. They are the latest panels from King Sound & are truly full range speakers, however you need a big bruiser amp like a Boulder to drive them as they're only 81db

King Sound - Speakers - KS-10

Would Krell 350 monos do the trick?

[timm]

Originally Posted by Robert_Anderson

Has anyone heard the 3.7's with the new Maggie subs? I am eager to hear them. I am in the unenviable position of having to upgrade from 20.1's to 20.7's when no dealer really wants to take a trade in. Currently I am using a pair of Martin Logan Descents for subs. I would very much like to hear what the 3.7's can do compared to the 20.1's with the subs.

Robert. How do the descents blend w the 20.1? How are u hooking them up via the stereo inputs w the 40hz filter or are you using the lfe input with an external xover?

Originally Posted by Robert_Anderson

Would Krell 350 monos do the trick?

I assume your question was tongue in cheek, as yes of course the 350 mono's would have no problem driving the KS-10's. Those Krell mono's are well designed and have robust protection circuitry, not that I think it would be needed. The KS-10's have low sensitivity @81db, but are only a 6ohm nomimal load so that should be a happy marriage. Interestingly, the dual mono Boulder 1060 has the same number of Bipolar output devices as both 350 mono's & only slightly less transformer power (twin 1.5kva potted transformers vs 1.7kva trannies in the 350's). In other words; a very potent amp!

[Robert_Anderson]

Originally Posted by timm

Robert. How do the descents blend w the 20.1? How are u hooking them up via the stereo inputs w the 40hz filter or are you using the lfe input with an external xover?

Right now, I am using the stereo inputs and have been satisfied. I am moving them into a smaller room (I am worried too small), so I will have to start all over again. If they do not fit in the new room, I will use my Avalons and have to decide if I will upgrade to 20.7's and wait, or go with 3.7's now.