Equinox 6 IC's in the house

[roberth]

Originally Posted by Masterlu

Robert... I use Wireworld cables throughout many systems. In my Theater I use 4m speaker cable runs; in my Game Room I use 15m speaker cable runs. There is no signal loss whatsoever.

I think your dealer may have a hidden agenda.

Thanks Masterlu!


Yes, he might have a hidden agenda but kind of a strange one to make a potential customer worry about something that has no concern.


Robert

[Puma Cat]

Originally Posted by roberth

Thanks Puma Cat!

I was going to reply saying thanks for your first reply but see you gave me some more input so thanks for that as well. Good to know the Equinox 6 is working out so well. I was blown away when I heard it in my system. I was ready to say this is enough when the Eclipse didn't burn-in sufficiently but since I'm doing video, I wasn't hearing the fullness from my L and R speakers. My sub was simply being exposed. I was in a very unhappy place when this occurred since I was thinking the Eclipse wasn't working out due to the PRaT being off along with wondering why the details weren't there. The dealer definitely isn't correct with saying a couple hours on these cables is more than enough. I questioned him since all cables I've ever tried took about 100 hours minimum. They did take less than normal which I was glad since right at 25 hours before taking them out as the dealer suggeted and trying the Silver Eclipse, I decided to listen again. Wow, I couldn't believe the transformation. Fast, detailed, balanced.....all the other hi-fi terms along with the PRaT being back where it should be. It basically sounded very similar to the Equinox but will more body / fullness to the sound. The sound on video from L and R speakers now blended and never sounded so good. These cables are a tremendous value but all you folks already know this.

I'll look at joining here as a member soon.

Cheers!
Robert

Respectfully, I think your dealer is misinformed...many cables take generally 50-300 hours to burn in, especially those using Teflon dielectric, so I think your own hunches are correct. My Zu Mission require a good 300 hrs for example. Also, I disagree with your dealer regarding the comments around 3 M having signal degradation compared to 1 M.

[Masterlu]

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

Respectfully, I think your dealer is misinformed...many cables take generally 50-300 hours to burn in, especially those using Teflon dielectric, so I think your own hunches are correct. My Zu Mission require a good 300 hrs for example. Also, I disagree with your dealer regarding the comments around 3 M having signal degradation compared to 1 M.

+1

Robert... Being a brand new member here, I didn't want to come on too strong.

[roberth]

Originally Posted by Masterlu

+1

Robert... Being a brand new member here, I didn't want to come on too strong.

Thanks! Good to see the consesus is he is way off base. Appreicate all the replies on this.

[jimtranr]

Welcome aboard, Robert. And congratulations on your Wireworld acquisitions.

Having cabled up with Equinox 6 IC's, I thought I'd pass along these observations for whatever they're worth, as I suspect, given the topology, they'll apply to the Eclipse variants as well.

My experience with the Equinoxes suggests that "100 hours" is a benchmark of convenience, as we have a tendency to like to think in round numbers, and if they're base-10 so much the easier to get our heads around. At around 100 hours my Equinoxes certainly imparted a good deal more openness, extension, dimensionality, and dynamic punch to the sonic presentation than they did at Hour 1. But improvement didn't quit at Hour 100. Over the next couple of weeks, the presentation continued to open up, perhaps not as dramatically as it did in the first 100 hours, but the performance bump was noticeable.

This wasn't a trick of the ear, you know the old "explanation" of "getting used to the sound that had already been coming from the speakers." In particular, the post-100-hour improvement exhibited itself as an airier, more liquid presentation at the top end. It's important because it revealed more upper harmonic content that had been masked previously and as a consequence fleshed out tonality, texture, and, again, dimensionality from the lower midrange on up. In sum, with good recordings the presentation was even freer of the speakers than it had been at around the 100-hour mark. So it might be something you can expect with the Eclipse, Silver or otherwise, as well.

I'd note parenthetically (and hopefully not too OT) that I've experienced the same results with the Electra 5.2 power cord linking the line stage to an original-version Shunyata Hydra. As with the Equinoxes, things really "burst out into the open" well after 100 hours of active use. (I have another Electra arriving tomorrow for my Oppo, so I'm anxious to hear if and what amount of performance bump that will effect.)

Jim

[roberth]

Originally Posted by jimtranr

Welcome aboard, Robert. And congratulations on your Wireworld acquisitions.

Having cabled up with Equinox 6 IC's, I thought I'd pass along these observations for whatever they're worth, as I suspect, given the topology, they'll apply to the Eclipse variants as well.

My experience with the Equinoxes suggests that "100 hours" is a benchmark of convenience, as we have a tendency to like to think in round numbers, and if they're base-10 so much the easier to get our heads around. At around 100 hours my Equinoxes certainly imparted a good deal more openness, extension, dimensionality, and dynamic punch to the sonic presentation than they did at Hour 1. But improvement didn't quit at Hour 100. Over the next couple of weeks, the presentation continued to open up, perhaps not as dramatically as it did in the first 100 hours, but the performance bump was noticeable.

This wasn't a trick of the ear, you know the old "explanation" of "getting used to the sound that had already been coming from the speakers." In particular, the post-100-hour improvement exhibited itself as an airier, more liquid presentation at the top end. It's important because it revealed more upper harmonic content that had been masked previously and as a consequence fleshed out tonality, texture, and, again, dimensionality from the lower midrange on up. In sum, with good recordings the presentation was even freer of the speakers than it had been at around the 100-hour mark. So it might be something you can expect with the Eclipse, Silver or otherwise, as well.

I'd note parenthetically (and hopefully not too OT) that I've experienced the same results with the Electra 5.2 power cord linking the line stage to an original-version Shunyata Hydra. As with the Equinoxes, things really "burst out into the open" well after 100 hours of active use. (I have another Electra arriving tomorrow for my Oppo, so I'm anxious to hear if and what amount of performance bump that will effect.)

Jim

Thanks Jim, I really appreciate all the details you provided. This definitely helps in a big way.

My dealer isn't doing me or himself any favors since he believe the silver eclipse is where he sees me for my components by saying 10 days is more than enough. It isn't helping my stress level to think I'm under the gun while still needing to work during the week. I may likely ask for another week if he expects a sale. Really, I am in ultimate control since I'm the consumer and can simply return all of them and buy from another dealer if I so choose. I don't believe he will argue however since I'm liking what I hear and we'll basically need to decide whether the Eclipse or Silver Eclipse works best.

I try and read pro reviews just as a guide and not take them to literally. It basically is a good place to start, it obviously helped when reading a couple of the WW 6 reviews that praised the performance. I just found another one this morning where the person was listening to the Silver Eclipse. He found the upper most frequencies got somewhat bright, actually described it as needles in the brain, but then said all was good in the world again once he plugged in an Electra into his preamp and pointed out many forget about adding a power cable to the preamp and jump to the amp or another piece intead. I didn't really find this helpful since I'm not in the position to have an Electra laying around to try. It did make me wonder two things. Silver provides more but sure it also reveals what isn't correct in a system. Guess time will tell when I start to demo the Silver Eclipse if I hear that needle in the brain sound on very heavy treble action but more concerned it could be a burn-in issue. My plan is to start at 50 hours hoping most of the bad stuff is out of the cables with knowing any additional time will only improve things more. Really it would be best if I burned each cable 4 full days before doing listening but he felt 10 days should be enough time, maybe because he knew what I was already using.

You or others may have some input on if I'll hear any negatives on the Silver Eclipse at 50 hour mark. I know that even more will improve with 100+ or even 300 hours which is awesome but hoping I don't hear hard qualities that lies in not having enough hours.

Right now, I'm running my CDP through the wires continually with my amp turned off. For so ever a brief (talking 5 seconds or so) I paused my CDP and turned my amp on just to ensure music was still flowing. During this too brief a window, it sounded completely different than the Eclipse burning in. Instead of thick and slow with a lack of details, it sounded like a hyper analytical sound. I quickly stopped the CDP and turned my amp off and then resumed the burn-in. I know the sizzle will calm down so didn't listen long.

I guess if I'm blown away enough at 50 hours, I will likely burn-in until the weekend where I get 100+ hours to determine how the Silver Eclipse compare to the Eclipse.

Robert

[chessman]

Robert, I assume you have read these, but just in case ...

http://www.audioaficionado.org/wirew...ng-coming.html

http://www.audioaficionado.org/wirew...les-house.html

[Doug Lax]

Robert I have an AV8003 and I use Wireworld Eclipse 6 and it is fantastic

I had XLO signatures which are good cables but the WW eclipse 6 opened everything up .


And also we are glad you are here !

[Puma Cat]

I would stick with an all-copper IC, Eclipse 6, and call it a day. I'd love to hear Eclipse 6 someday, just to be able to compare it to my Equinox 6. Not sure what the would be responsible for differences as the conductors seem to be the same, but it would be intereseting nonetheless.

But I'm pretty well set regarding cables.

FWIW, Robert, I am using pretty much all Zu Mission, which believe it or not is an all-silver cable using Teflon dielectric, but it does not sound like a silver cable at all. It does take good 300 hrs to burn in, though. It's very thin and flexible and easy to dress, as well.

[ronenash]

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

I would stick with an all-copper IC, Eclipse 6, and call it a day. I'd love to hear Eclipse 6 someday, just to be able to compare it to my Equinox 6. Not sure what the would be responsible for differences as the conductors seem to be the same, but it would be intereseting nonetheless.

But I'm pretty well set regarding cables.

FWIW, Robert, I am using pretty much all Zu Mission, which believe it or not is an all-silver cable using Teflon dielectric, but it does not sound like a silver cable at all. It does take good 300 hrs to burn in, though. It's very thin and flexible and easy to dress, as well.

I am using both Eclipse and Equinox interconnects. The eclipse uses the same conductors but more of them. In my experience for 1 meter cable runs the difference is not big. Maybe for longer runs you start to hear more of a difference between the two models. Having used all the WW line of interconnects I think the Equinox gives you the best bang for the buck.